Silver prices vs stock market
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hyphenated
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... and another perspective:
Paper Silver currently drives the physical spot price, so shenanigans in the markets can directly affect the value of your coins bars or what-have-you.
The markets are a rigged casino, and playing in them is rather like an individual krill going for a swim (you are not worth bothering with individually, but there are plenty of very large entities which will scoop you up).
However, if you buy physical when the markets are dipped with money you can afford to put aside, and be prepared to hold it indefinitely you should be good. Just like houses, you make money on the purchase, not the sale.
Paper Silver currently drives the physical spot price, so shenanigans in the markets can directly affect the value of your coins bars or what-have-you.
The markets are a rigged casino, and playing in them is rather like an individual krill going for a swim (you are not worth bothering with individually, but there are plenty of very large entities which will scoop you up).
However, if you buy physical when the markets are dipped with money you can afford to put aside, and be prepared to hold it indefinitely you should be good. Just like houses, you make money on the purchase, not the sale.
ounces,
the first 3 min. of this video deal with your question. the rest is ok, too.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puAhjS_Bo6c[/youtube]
the first 3 min. of this video deal with your question. the rest is ok, too.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puAhjS_Bo6c[/youtube]
Photonaware
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Stocks up 20% in the past year and silver stack down 20%.
That's my experience so far.
That's my experience so far.
hennypenny
New Member
Thanks for the graph theiain1, it's actually useful.
I posted something similar for Dow vs GLD on another thread.
It seems clear that stocks and PMs always move in the same direction except when they don't.
We're all convinced the stock market has another plummet in it, so the big question is which way will PMs go. I've long believed the answer was down, but I'm now slightly less certain (only slightly though.)
Source:
I posted something similar for Dow vs GLD on another thread.
Source:
It seems clear that stocks and PMs always move in the same direction except when they don't.
We're all convinced the stock market has another plummet in it, so the big question is which way will PMs go. I've long believed the answer was down, but I'm now slightly less certain (only slightly though.)
It's all smoke and mirrors, one is artificially pumped on steroids while the other is artificially suppressed.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKccws08EgQ[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKccws08EgQ[/youtube]
hyphenated
Active Member
I find Mannarino interesting but a little too unstructured in his presentations. His recent posts seem to make a number of points:
1. Unprecedented accumulation of assets in the equity markets despite downward-pointing indicators
2. Movement out of the Bonds markets - Bond market starting to crack.
3. This must be coordinated - Points to banks and institutions using Fed money - Probably a pump-and-dump in US equities.
Unfortunately he doesn't provide the reasoning behind these points.
He seems to think that the current environment will suck small(er) investors out of bonds by dangling a stock market boom in front of them whilst bond yields are below inflation.
Joining some of his dots: then the big boys will pull the rug out by (presumably) coordinated selling (elsewhere the suggestion that the front-runners be whittled down company by company). At which point the injured Wildebeest will presumably be steered into a PM rally followed by another tanking. Or am I drinking the KoolAid?
1. Unprecedented accumulation of assets in the equity markets despite downward-pointing indicators
2. Movement out of the Bonds markets - Bond market starting to crack.
3. This must be coordinated - Points to banks and institutions using Fed money - Probably a pump-and-dump in US equities.
Unfortunately he doesn't provide the reasoning behind these points.
He seems to think that the current environment will suck small(er) investors out of bonds by dangling a stock market boom in front of them whilst bond yields are below inflation.
Joining some of his dots: then the big boys will pull the rug out by (presumably) coordinated selling (elsewhere the suggestion that the front-runners be whittled down company by company). At which point the injured Wildebeest will presumably be steered into a PM rally followed by another tanking. Or am I drinking the KoolAid?
Stock markets and silver ------
Different animals.
Stocks are an investment, bad, good or indifferent. Ie. the aims would be for capital growth or dividends.
Silver is a store of value or wealth.
It can be used to preserve 'purchasing power'. Aims would be to preserve, protect etc..
It is not a wise idea to look at silver as an investment even though it may appear to sometimes have capital growth.
The qualities of both are very different and should be respected. - just one eg. A paper instrument investment is 'always' ephemeral whereas ownership of silver is more than likely permanent and gold certainly permanent unless lost.
For anyone who is considering any investment, insurance or value/ wealth preservation or preservation of purchasing power it is vital to work out what exactly it is that you want.
Just saying I want to make some money is not good enough - one must look far deeper.
Have a great day
Gazza.
Different animals.
Stocks are an investment, bad, good or indifferent. Ie. the aims would be for capital growth or dividends.
Silver is a store of value or wealth.
It can be used to preserve 'purchasing power'. Aims would be to preserve, protect etc..
It is not a wise idea to look at silver as an investment even though it may appear to sometimes have capital growth.
The qualities of both are very different and should be respected. - just one eg. A paper instrument investment is 'always' ephemeral whereas ownership of silver is more than likely permanent and gold certainly permanent unless lost.
For anyone who is considering any investment, insurance or value/ wealth preservation or preservation of purchasing power it is vital to work out what exactly it is that you want.
Just saying I want to make some money is not good enough - one must look far deeper.
Have a great day
Gazza.
roman said:
So is it manipulated or not ? Should one buy gold and silver ?
southerncross said:
To a degree just like everything is.
As for buying physical? I'd say no right now, though I have a feeling Gold will test $1620 very soon so maybe paper is an option.
Don't get me wrong, I think Greg is genuinely trying to help people...however...
bad calls and his repetitive nature made me forget him pretty quickly, I gain absolutely nothing from his videos.