betterinvestmentthanshare
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The following is over 1 year old so I suggest you look up the updated data. Even though the heading is QLD, the map shows ALL of Australia. The video shows you how to do it.
Do you own property or thinking of buying
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Apparently they were here first?
Dude needs to check his premise.
Dude needs to check his premise.
Lots of misinformation and incorrect claims in that video.
Don't let the facts get in the way of selling newspapers
Don't let the facts get in the way of selling newspapers
Or YouTube subs.
The thread title reinforces that as well.
betterinvestmentthanshare
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Maybe I should of explained my purpose of the video better.
My focus was on the government website that details the areas of existing native title and soon to be native title.
The reason being the restrictions and another layer government bureaucracy attached to a property that lies within.
The negative implications for property owners that Western Australians experienced was horrendous, applications required just to dig hole in one’s back yard to ensure a survey was no cultural significance, mind you, a house has been built with no problem in the same site.
My focus was on the government website that details the areas of existing native title and soon to be native title.
The reason being the restrictions and another layer government bureaucracy attached to a property that lies within.
The negative implications for property owners that Western Australians experienced was horrendous, applications required just to dig hole in one’s back yard to ensure a survey was no cultural significance, mind you, a house has been built with no problem in the same site.
Ok, if that was your intention then that video did your thread a disservice. There was quite a lot of misinformation in it and I would suggest it was produced to alarm people rather than provide a rational insight into native title and Toobeah.
I can't provide any input into the specifics around what was happening in WA as it was in another State so I wasn't interested in following the events as they unfolded.
Without getting into the specifics of the actual conflict in Toobeah if you own property freehold eg the pub in that town then that extinguishes any native title claims. Beyond that a native title claim may be able to be lodged for property that is not owned freehold eg leasehold and then there are two forms that native title may take ie non-exclusive and exclusive which specifies the level of possession ie able to co-exist with other users or not.
The map of Australia in question showing land subject or potentially subject to a native title claim would not show freehold parcels of land and is therefore no threat to anyone owning or thinking of buying freehold. Which is why I made the comment regarding your thread title. Landholders who occupy other titles eg pastoral, mining leases, reserves, tourism etc can be subject to native title claims and are also obligated under their leasing arrangements to meet certain duties eg actually use it for the specific purpose, improve the lot or risk losing their leases.
The claim in Toobeah centred on a parcel of land owned by the State of Qld and gazetted as a reserve in 1906 for use as a stock route and the associated pasture, water and camping facilities for travelling herds set aside to provide an alternative to transporting stock by road and rail. It wasn't freehold and it wasn't a recreation reserve (looking at Pauline).
The Goondoowindi Regional Shire Council web site has a good section on the Toobeah Reserve claim for anyone interested in a deeper understanding of the issue: https://www.grc.qld.gov.au/Business...itle-and-Aboriginal-Land-Transfer-Information
It seems that the Qld government mishandled the application process when it came to consultation and publicity.
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Mr Hard Case
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We dont really "own " property anymore anyway, so it doesnt matter.
Try buying property in Vic now and getting a paper title for it, even if you are paying for it all with your own fiat, impossible.
I imagine it is, or soon will be, the same everywhere else. We are not in a country; we are in a corporation.
When they crash the internet and do the reset, you will find that you own nothing, and you will be happy with the protein bug-laced food
that they will feed you with.
Try buying property in Vic now and getting a paper title for it, even if you are paying for it all with your own fiat, impossible.
I imagine it is, or soon will be, the same everywhere else. We are not in a country; we are in a corporation.
When they crash the internet and do the reset, you will find that you own nothing, and you will be happy with the protein bug-laced food
that they will feed you with.
I think it's just a matter of time for claims to escalate in Australia. Canada is clearly the bellwether of things to come.
"
Aboriginal title lawyer Ryan Beaton said Aboriginal title gives the title holders the right to decide how the land will be used and economic benefits from the land.
Beaton said multiple jurisdictions can coexist.
"So you can have fee simple land as a fee simple land owner — you have your property and a house — while the province still has jurisdiction,” said Beaton.
“It seems to my mind, and I think to most observers, that Aboriginal title would be a third order of lawmaking power, where the title holders would make laws over the Aboriginal title land alongside provincial and federal law.”
But that's still unclear.
“So far the courts, especially the Supreme Court of Canada, has been hesitant to explicitly say Aboriginal title comes with law-making power,” said Beaton.
"
https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/quwutsun-nation-aboriginal-title-9.6952944
--- Sounds exactly like where Victoriastan is headed with their new treaty ---
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As what comes to your average Joe 'Whitey' Taxpayer's future prospects:
https://globalnews.ca/news/11500677/first-nation-title-claim-western-quebec-lands/
An Algonquin First Nation has filed a title claim in Quebec Superior Court over large swaths of territory across the west of the province, and is also seeking $5 billion from governments and Crown corporations.
Jean-Guy Whiteduck, chief of the Kitigan Zibi Anishinabeg First Nation, says the Algonquin people must have a say in the way water, wildlife and forestry are managed in their traditional territory. Meaningful reconciliation can’t exist until that happens, he said in a recent interview.
The Aboriginal title claim covers eight areas, including islands in the Ottawa River; Gatineau park and adjoining lands in the city of Gatineau; two harvesting zones in the Gatineau regional county; the Papineau-Labelle wildlife reserve; as well as the Baskatong Reservoir and other nearby areas that were flooded during the construction of a hydroelectric dam in 1927.
“All of the dams that were built on our territory were done without approval from our people,” the chief said. “We were never compensated.”
Whiteduck said his intention isn’t to dislodge private landowners, saying the lawsuit only covers land that is owned or managed by governments.
The lawsuit is also seeking $5 billion from Canada, Quebec, Hydro-Québec and the Crown corporation responsible for the National Capital Region as compensation for violations of what the Algonquin say are their rights to the territory.
"
Aboriginal title lawyer Ryan Beaton said Aboriginal title gives the title holders the right to decide how the land will be used and economic benefits from the land.
Beaton said multiple jurisdictions can coexist.
"So you can have fee simple land as a fee simple land owner — you have your property and a house — while the province still has jurisdiction,” said Beaton.
“It seems to my mind, and I think to most observers, that Aboriginal title would be a third order of lawmaking power, where the title holders would make laws over the Aboriginal title land alongside provincial and federal law.”
But that's still unclear.
“So far the courts, especially the Supreme Court of Canada, has been hesitant to explicitly say Aboriginal title comes with law-making power,” said Beaton.
"
https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/quwutsun-nation-aboriginal-title-9.6952944
--- Sounds exactly like where Victoriastan is headed with their new treaty ---
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As what comes to your average Joe 'Whitey' Taxpayer's future prospects:
https://globalnews.ca/news/11500677/first-nation-title-claim-western-quebec-lands/
An Algonquin First Nation has filed a title claim in Quebec Superior Court over large swaths of territory across the west of the province, and is also seeking $5 billion from governments and Crown corporations.
Jean-Guy Whiteduck, chief of the Kitigan Zibi Anishinabeg First Nation, says the Algonquin people must have a say in the way water, wildlife and forestry are managed in their traditional territory. Meaningful reconciliation can’t exist until that happens, he said in a recent interview.
The Aboriginal title claim covers eight areas, including islands in the Ottawa River; Gatineau park and adjoining lands in the city of Gatineau; two harvesting zones in the Gatineau regional county; the Papineau-Labelle wildlife reserve; as well as the Baskatong Reservoir and other nearby areas that were flooded during the construction of a hydroelectric dam in 1927.
“All of the dams that were built on our territory were done without approval from our people,” the chief said. “We were never compensated.”
Whiteduck said his intention isn’t to dislodge private landowners, saying the lawsuit only covers land that is owned or managed by governments.
The lawsuit is also seeking $5 billion from Canada, Quebec, Hydro-Québec and the Crown corporation responsible for the National Capital Region as compensation for violations of what the Algonquin say are their rights to the territory.
But they were not first. The 'apparently first' killed the real firsts.
Sorry, not sorry.
I haven't read that book but from a quick internet search it's got nothing to do with whether the Australian Aboriginal people were the first inhabitants of this continent or not, they were here before white fellas and that's all that matters.
And FWIW I'm in Keeley's camp when it comes to challenging the myth of the noble savage, but it is an entirely different debate to the one in this thread, therefore i'll pass on that.
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Native title is extinguished on freehold land if that's your concern.
This is getting OT from the intent of the thread but I've done some more reading and the legal concept of "native title" is alien to European countries ie it's largely an Australian phenomenon.
When Europeans arrived in what we now call Australia they imposed the legal concept of "terra nullius" on the new colony. The Mabo decision was the recognition that native title existed before Europeans set foot on here and hence the legal concept of terra nullius was rejected. Terra nullius and native title did not exist in Europe and the other parts of the ancient world as there was a long history of pre-existing legal and political systems already in place prior to colonisation, repeated invasions or whatever. So when you hear "native title" it has to be thought of in the mostly unique Australian legal concept of "terra nullius". The Mabo case simply corrected the unjust imposition of "terra nullius" on the continent.
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