[The 1st Perth Mint Silver Bar - Serial No.1]

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  1. clear

    clear Well-Known Member

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    what a winner - no problems princess.
     
  2. tozak

    tozak Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Chips
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    Not Chips
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  3. tozak

    tozak Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Haha!^ That so didn't work, but anyway you get the gist, is a close up of the number anyway
     
  4. Miloman

    Miloman Active Member Silver Stacker

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    Chip's 1 is the 1 from the front 1 Kilo. Compare.

    Yes that's the exact types of 1 that are featured on the back, very very distinct.

    I FOUND THE PHOTOS!!!!

    I had already posted these kilo bars here: http://forums.silverstackers.com/topic-65441-collectable-vintage-australian-kilo-silver-bars.html

    Here they are: TA-DA!!!


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  5. Miloman

    Miloman Active Member Silver Stacker

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    Sorry it's low res. But it's clear enough to see what I am talking about.

    100% legit.

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    screaming eagle Member Silver Stacker

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    Beautiful bar, regardless of series it's a significant piece of history but I think this question needs to be answered. Would someone from Perth Mint be able to confirm which series this bar is from. I'm certainly interested to know.
     
  7. tozak

    tozak Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I believe it's the first series going from the logo but I would also love to get a definitive answer from The Perth Mint as well.
     
  8. fishtaco

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    1 kilo bar serial #1 this has to be the most valuable perth mint bar to a collector 1 of a kind because its not only the first # 1 and 1 kilo weight but add the 1 to the fine 999 and you get 1. unique! 1 1 1 first everything :)
     
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    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    So the hunt for 999 bar is on the list now? :)
     
  10. Golden ChipMunk

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    There are bars that have been stamped Right, also stamped Left.
     
  11. Gatito Bandito

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    Some say the bar in question is 2nd series, with the following as the 1st series..

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  12. Golden ChipMunk

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    Thanks Gatito, just about to bring that up ^^^^

    The under statement....


     
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    Silver Soul Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    This thread is turning out to be a witch hunt. :rolleyes:
     
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    Miloman Active Member Silver Stacker

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    Thanks, Golden Chipmunk.

    I am happy to say nothing I've said is absolute and I'm happy to learn and obviously have only garnered info from dealers and looking into it. I am interested in these bars and I'm happy to be corrected and find out more.

    I see Gatito,bar too.

    Here what was my logic...

    *Swan
    *THE PERTH MINT (rectangular)
    * Serial numbers on back (exact tooling matches)

    The 20oz and 50oz bars have the rectangular "THE PERTH MINT" hallmark.
    The back of the bar e.g. 10oz have if memory serves me the same number tooling.

    Also geometry of the bar... Gatito seems more consistent with next generation of bars.

    Swan is identical on all.

    Do you have photos of the serial number being on the right?
    The comment I made about the any 0 preceding the number was in reference to the long rectangular bar in the OP. Can you provide a photo of the bar type in the OP with a 0 preceding the number?

    Thanks, love learning.
     
  15. tozak

    tozak Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Yeah I saw these but what gets me is they put the proceeding zeros on the serial numbers on these bars just like they did with all the later series, so why then switch and switch back unless the first batch was done without any foresight to numbering, hence no proceeding zeros.
     
  16. Golden ChipMunk

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    Here are some of my clues....


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    ^^^ Gatito - Bar photos is from AllEnglehard Site.

    I did not say the Bar No. 1 is Fake nor Attest to the Authenticity of it. ( I am not interested in this Bar No 1, as Number 1 mean stand alone)


    TYPE H The MONALISA of Silver Bar, play the important role of all The PM Bars.... ( KEY Bar )
    The MONALISA of Silver Bar


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    Type H comes first before all that versions


    Refer to GP thread for the Style Types.
    Sequence Numbering COA stand correct.....


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    Source: Goldpelican PM thread


    Also Look at the "0" or Zero ( One is rounded and the other is oval.... on the numeral not alphabet , don't get confuse )

    Now compare to Tozak's Photo....


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  17. tozak

    tozak Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    ^Well thats easy then, just look at the lettering [THE PERTH MINT] one is raised while the other recessed

    Gatito Bandito has pointed out a bar with the same lettering as a type 'D' 10oz bar

    The Bar I have shown with the serial number '1' has the same lettering as a type 'C' 10oz bar

    So which came first? Type 'C' or Type 'D'
     
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    Excellent, you are on track... ;)

    I will comment again, later .....
     
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    The 50 oz also plays important roles, to all the sets.....

    Now , Look at the OZS "A " & "B" varieties.....

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    Ugh, just looks like a bunch of bars of silver to me, I guess its a good thing I don't collect these. :|
     

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