Monitoring the Crypto Bubble

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Where do you think we are in the crypto bubble?

  1. Very early (years left to run)

    18.3%
  2. Around the middle (could still run for months or a year)

    43.1%
  3. Very late (could end within days/weeks)

    24.8%
  4. It's not a bubble

    13.8%
  1. tdtwedt

    tdtwedt Active Member Silver Stacker

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    If they are the third largest crypto because of fraud then that is a problem. They claim they are for transparency but it does not appear so by their actions.

    To claim privacy to escape an audit is suspicious.
     
  2. mmm....shiney!

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    Which is why they said the market has spoken and obviously trusts them otherwise they wouldn’t have grown to become the 3rd largest crypto.



    Not transparent enough for you and other critics. Plenty transparent for the holders of the $62 odd billion on the market.
     
  3. tdtwedt

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    How can the market make a proper decision without a true accounting of their reserves. Do you think the investors in Enron and Madoff's fund knew what they were getting into before the truth came out?
     
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    I agree ... a problem only if it is fraud .... if it is not fraud then it is not a problem. Looks good on the outside but not on the inside. You can have that problem at the greengrocer buying fruit and veggies. That's the market ... it is one's own choice to buy in or not ... is it a snake or a piece of rope? ... consider and make your own choice.
     
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    The market needs Tether as an on and off ramp as many currencies aren't able to be traded directly for BTC or the alt-coins. As long as Tether does this, the market is not obviously concerned with the accounts of their reserves.

    Obviously many weren't.

    Tether is neither a Ponzi, no one buys USDT hoping for capital appreciation (unless you're a small timer looking to maybe do a forex play), nor is it a publicly listed company selling shares.
     
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    If Tether conjures up new tethers out of thin air then that is a fraud no matter what you call it.

    An audit would solve the questions but it sounds like you think it is not needed...
     
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    Yes, but if they don't then it's not fraud.

    I agree that an audit would add clarity, but it really doesn't bother me because it's just a side issue in the big picture, much like BTC's energy consumption and CBDCs for example. They're just FUD on the periphery.

    Interestingly this is exactly how our current monetary system operates, but I don't consider it a fraud because there are systems in place that are supposed to protect it and I understand those systems. I don't have a problem either with Frax conjuring up new FRAX stablecoins because there are supposed to be protocols in place to protect it and I have a moderate grasp of those protocols, not down to the coding level, just at the functional level.

    Tether is a lot simpler to understand than both the algorithmic stablecoin FRAX and our current monetary system, so for now if it works I'm happy. If it fails then those holding USDT will find that they have a huge hole in their investments, but the impact will be short-lived as the value of BTC and the alt-coins is not determined by the issuance of Tether. The moral of the story, if you're worried about Tether or Circle/Coinbase or Frax etc becoming insolvent, don't hold stablecoins, just stick to the other cryptocurrencies or hold your native currency and only use the stablecoins when you need to get into or out of the market.
     
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    Like jumping on a crocodile's head to get across a lake. Don't just stand there like a moron.
     
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    News outlets today:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-said-to-face-criminal-probe-into-bank-fraud

    Tether Executives Said to Face Criminal Probe Into Bank Fraud
    • DOJ examining whether banks were misled about crypto business
    • Tether says it’s committed to cooperating with law enforcement
    A U.S. probe into Tether is homing in on whether executives behind the digital token committed bank fraud, a potential criminal case that would have broad implications for the cryptocurrency market.

    Tether’s pivotal role in the crypto ecosystem is now well known because the token is widely used to trade Bitcoin. But the Justice Departmentinvestigation is focused on conduct that occurred years ago, when Tether was in its more nascent stages. Specifically, federal prosecutors are scrutinizing whether Tether concealed from banks that transactions were linked to crypto, said three people with direct knowledge of the matter who asked not to be named because the probe is confidential.

    Criminal charges would mark one of the most significant developments in the U.S. government’s crackdown on virtual currencies. That’s because Tether is by far the most popular stablecoin -- tokens designed to be immune to wild price swings, making them ideal for buying and selling more volatile coins. The token’s importance to the market is clear: Tethers in circulation are worth about $62 billion and they underpin more than half of all Bitcoin trades.
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    Federal prosecutors have been circling Tether since at least 2018. In recent months, they sent letters to individuals alerting them that they’re targets of the investigation, one of the people said. The notices signal that a decision on whether to bring a case could be made soon, with senior Justice Department officials ultimately determining whether charges are warranted.

    The probe is reaching a tipping point as stablecoins attract intense scrutiny from regulators. The U.S. Treasury Department and Federal Reserve are among agencies concerned that the tokens could threaten financial stability, and are obscuring transactions tied to money laundering and other misconduct because they allow criminals to make payments without going through the regulated banking system. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said last week that watchdogs must “act quickly” in considering new rules for stablecoins.
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  12. mmm....shiney!

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    @TreasureHunter please don’t triple post, posting in one thread is sufficient
     
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