Arguments against "Libertarianism": - "makes not sense" - "immature" - "not convincing" - "frozen" It reads alot alike the blabla of those "Parasites" that Ayn Rand wrote 'bout in her book Atlas Shrugged. That's not even an ideology, it's just theft of the legal kind by lazy butts hunting excuses for their absence on the work floor.
Australia a democracy? All that you guys can is voting who is allowed to do a next X years whatever he wants unpunished lol. What else than theft can tax be? People that want to get other peoples products and services without doing back what they want in return? What else than a thievesclub can State be? A society functions when people work together. And functions less with an increasing number Parasites / size of their theft. Parasitism? Well, shit.
Democracy in theory, every 4 years or so we decide which puppet will take the stage on behalf of lobby groups and corporate interests based on the popularity of issues engineered to distract and divide. If the result is a majority in both houses, the effect is dictatorial. If the senate ends up with a balance of power, minority interests gain over-representation flirting with the two party duopoly. If the lower house is hung, comedy ensues as true colours are revealed in a mad power grab where promises and principles are fluid and negotiable.
-1 What utter horseshit! :lol: Alan Greenspan a libertarian... This author is defnitely a couple of cans short of a sixpack!!
I have thought long and hard about these issues and it is definitely a challenge sorting the wheat from the chaff. Society appears built upon what Jim Jeffries talks of in the other thread as 'moving as fast as the slowest in the herd', which means that 'rights' are no longer 'rights' but 'mutual obligations'. As he so succinctly says, 'I think all drugs should be legal but then Sandra went and stabbed her kids. Thanks a lot Sandra!' now we have to control substances so that the 'Sandras' of the world don't destroy the world as we know it. Not fair to the considerate, responsible, do unto others, non-retards in the herd, but the alternative is horrendous. The alternative seems to be the 'equal rights for everyone' which leaves the Sandras able to rob, loot and shoot at their leisure since the controls are not in place to stop them doing otherwise. Of course their peers will frown on them - except those urging the behaviour that they all indulge in. You don't have to travel many suburbs to see how that's working out. Libertarian principles work fine if you have a high intelligence, moral, responsible population, and we don't. In fact it appears that forces are at work to remove that type of person from the population. You can have 2 of the 3. To my mind, this is inevitably coupled with the 'one world conspiracy' concepts, being that the world is overpopulated for the current economic model and leaders have engineered society to fit into easily manageable compartments: Welfare control. Dumb them down so they accept it all. Set them up to die early, feed the dream lie that you too can be rich and powerful, etc etc. I saw research that the 'sweet point' here on planet Earth under the current economic system was around 1972 (interesting date!). Population vs Resources vs Income distribution vs Social equality was at its best and since has declined. Too many people stuffed the model, but the model is predicated upon eternal growth. How to manage that? The Powers That Be appear to favour the 1% solution and a vast depopulation and that solution removes all libertarian potentials. If libertarianism runs free, then the slow in the herd will probably circle around and massacre the front of the herd - simply for being richer, different, un-tattooed, black, white, christian, muslim or whatever the sub-average herd who didn't receive one of 'morality' or 'responsibility.' So libertarianism is not compatible with financial stability in the world as it currently exists. Perhaps when it collapses and we end up the libertarian jungle as was exhibited after the collapse of the USSR there may eventually evolve a 'US Bill of Rights' type of libertarian society, but I think we're too far down the one world government road for that to occur - unless of course financial collapse happens because of massive natural disaster. Then we won't have time to think of any principles other than edible or not.
@JulieW - appreciate your thoughts but intelligence of the average person is no more important for effective socio-political systems as it is required for us to have TVs and computers. It comes down to harnessing people's natural instincts and habits. Edit: the failure of the USSR was the idea that intelligent people can coordinate and plan the myriad of interactions between millions of people to make something as simple as a pencil (pretty sure you've seen/read the "I, Pencil" essay from a few decades ago).
Unfortunately I see us like a slightly elevated version of the apes with the bones, at the waterhole in 2001: A Space Odyssey, and now there's not enough bones to go around.
That's because we broadly are. However, by embracing the self correcting system that harnesses cooperation for mutual self interest humanity has successfully been able to greatly increase the number of bones. Edit: Meat not bones
Which brings us to the New World Order and the need for financial collapse to extinguish the surviving relics of libertarianism.
Murray Rothbard and Ron Paul bith outlined plans that don't require financial collapse. The old threads should still be around.
Would this be via Bordsilver's MEGA NAZI collectivist dictatorial environmental socialists who will successfully carry out the mega-holocast because we stupidly placed restrictions on assault rifles in Australia?
But would they be allowed? I don't think so, either by statute or ostracism by the 'educated and guided' public. You can see it in relief now, with the bicyclists versus motorists in the inner cities and clearly in the helmet laws, where evidence does not support the reason the law is imposed and enforced. this was in response to: , not the preceding post.
I picture these drivers unable to use divided bicycle lanes and raging impotently as they are shackled by mandatory seatbelt laws and are unable to properly vent their indignation at people that appear to be having innocent fun together outside but who are no doubt planning the slaughter of all mankind via instruction from the ABC.
It will only be ALL mankind if their funding is restored. Until then it will only be certain parts of popular populations.
