***FAKE FAKE FAKE 1988 PF69 NGC Platinum Panda on eBay ***

Discussion in 'Modern Chinese Coins & Medallions' started by fishball, Dec 10, 2011.

  1. Boyo

    Boyo Active Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    May 16, 2010
    Messages:
    1,915
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Ipswich
    Off topic,but can anyone tell me how to go about checking NGC graded coins on their data base?
    Do you have to be a member?
    Just had a look at their website and nothing appears on their
     
  2. 25Grizzlies

    25Grizzlies Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2011
    Messages:
    632
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Australia
  3. fishball

    fishball New Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2011
    Messages:
    6,627
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Shin Sekai Yori
    http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx
     
  4. Boyo

    Boyo Active Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    May 16, 2010
    Messages:
    1,915
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Ipswich
    thanks ,fishball, and 25 grizzlies... just looked a bit harder and found the page.

    Mine are legit ..phew :)
     
  5. 25Grizzlies

    25Grizzlies Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2011
    Messages:
    632
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Australia
    No problem.

    When you buy from the right people 99.9% are.

    They'll reimburse you also if it turns out they've sold you a fake... they have too much to lose.

    A one off seller like this should send you running for the hills, not worth the risk.
     
  6. fishball

    fishball New Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2011
    Messages:
    6,627
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Shin Sekai Yori
    Fake slabs are very obvious once you have them in hand, this listing just put me off a bit because the coin looks legit (as it is) and the slab looked fine until I looked at the slanted 6.
     
  7. 25Grizzlies

    25Grizzlies Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2011
    Messages:
    632
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Australia
    I'm gonna bid $6,500 ;)
     
  8. Scorpion75

    Scorpion75 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2011
    Messages:
    387
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Western Australia
    Maybe just bid what its worth with 10mins to go and see if anyone else bids higher. Like there mate.


    Scorp
     
  9. fishball

    fishball New Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2011
    Messages:
    6,627
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Shin Sekai Yori
    We need Ladybird or some other UK stacker to go rip this scammer a new one :p
     
  10. 25Grizzlies

    25Grizzlies Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2011
    Messages:
    632
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Australia
    On second thoughts I'm not getting involved, had enough run ins with paypal for a lifetime.
     
  11. THUCYDIDES79

    THUCYDIDES79 New Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2010
    Messages:
    3,606
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Brisbane/Greenbank
    Good pick up fishball !!
     
  12. fishball

    fishball New Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2011
    Messages:
    6,627
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Shin Sekai Yori
    Final bid almost $2000 AU, 1261 GBP.

    So the hard hitters and Panda experts didn't bid because this is valued at upwards of $4000.

    Still sucks to be the winner though.
     
  13. 25Grizzlies

    25Grizzlies Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2011
    Messages:
    632
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Australia
    Yeah was just gonna say that about those in the know.

    Upwards of 5k I think...

    I hope they stop and think before paying.
     
  14. fishball

    fishball New Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2011
    Messages:
    6,627
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Shin Sekai Yori
    Hah yeah hope so or damnnnnnn 2k gone.

    A very educational and entertaining Saturday night to say the least.
     
  15. Thor122

    Thor122 New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2011
    Messages:
    1,466
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Valhalla
    Good eye fishy
    Bidder Information
    Bidder: f***f( 5 )
    Feedback: 100%Positive
    Item description: PLATINUM PANDA - 1988 - 1oz. NGC PF69

    Estadistics from the buyer. Is the shame cant have the nick to send a pm

    Bids on this item: 2
    30-Day Summary
    Total bids: 148
    Items bid on: 37
    Bid activity (%) with this seller: 1%
    Bid retractions: 4
    Bid retractions (6 months): 10
     
  16. meeko2011

    meeko2011 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2011
    Messages:
    137
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Australia
    Good work Fishball , If we all keep an eye on our Panda's for fakes on EBAY we can make it harder for the scammers You would think someone paying that kind of money would check the NGC database ?
    Meeko
     
  17. Thor122

    Thor122 New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2011
    Messages:
    1,466
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Valhalla
    Is posible the winner check the database after win.
    He have 10 retractions.
     
  18. Austacker

    Austacker Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2010
    Messages:
    2,870
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    The Wild West
    I hate this crap... People trying to make an easy dollar pack of bastards the lot of them. You can even see the same coin in the shot to the left. I suppose all photos should have a watermark. Ebay should have a standard one that uses your account name with each photo, and puts 10 random watermarks on the photo. If a copied image is used it will have the users ebay id watermark already on it. Anyone good at programming there is a simple idea to sell to ebay ?

    Thanks mate, good lesson learned in due diligence.

    Just thinking out load, why didn't the fake seller just list the original item anyway, instead of going to the trouble to change the numbers. It appears you wouldn't have received anything anyway ? At least if the number was right people would have bid more.
     
  19. fishball

    fishball New Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2011
    Messages:
    6,627
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Shin Sekai Yori
    Yeah no idea why he shopped (poorly) some numbers.

    I think I've done better edit jobs before using MS Paint than that guy :|

    As for the lesson, it applies for everything not only Pandas. If you're going to bid/buy something which is worth over $2000, use your brain and do some research ;)!

    NGC database was down for most of the day though, he was probably thinking of luring unsuspecting bidders who would put down a high $4000 bid and go away for the rest of the day.

    I think the reason the guy edited the pic was because being 2000 mintage and PF 69, most of the hard hitters know each other and who owns that coin. They pretty much know the coin off by heart including numbers and would be able to instantly tell it was a fake or stolen image. I might be slightly exaggerating though but that's the only reason I can think of.
     
  20. Austacker

    Austacker Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2010
    Messages:
    2,870
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    The Wild West
    Do you think the account may have been hacked. It looks out of place for such a seller ?
     

Share This Page