China food production issues....

Discussion in 'Markets & Economies' started by Oddjob, Jun 28, 2019.

  1. Oddjob

    Oddjob Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2018
    Messages:
    2,363
    Likes Received:
    2,154
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Oz
    Just read an article published by Judicial Watch in the US which talks about Trump booting the Chinese out of the world's second largest port "Long Beach Port" which Obama (Barry to his mates) leased to the Chinese via a HK company for 40 odd years...sounds a tag like what happened with Darwin Port a few years back.....Anyhoo, Trump forced them to sell it and it was bought by Macquarie Bank's assets mgmt arm.....all this happened back in April this year and not a word in the press.

    I wish our politicians had the spine to stand up to the PRC the way Trump does.
     
  2. JulieW

    JulieW Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2010
    Messages:
    12,716
    Likes Received:
    1,791
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Australia
    Trump is a sorry specimen of humankind, BUT look at his enemies and he almost has a halo. With so many enemies on both sides, he must be doing good things to have such dedicated and evil enemies.

    Now word comes down that Hillary is eyeing 2020.

    It's like watching a reality version of The Walking Dead with Hillary's withered claw snaking out of a pile of mouldy Democrat bunting and grabbing Trump's ankle.
     
    mmm....shiney! and Shaddam IV like this.
  3. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2010
    Messages:
    18,481
    Likes Received:
    1,810
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    昆士蘭
    Xi, Putin and Hilary. Nice ‘hood he’s found himself in.
     
  4. Court Jester

    Court Jester Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2012
    Messages:
    3,225
    Likes Received:
    112
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Gold Coast QLD
    I would like to see killary try it
     
  5. sgbuyer

    sgbuyer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    May 25, 2018
    Messages:
    1,258
    Likes Received:
    635
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Singapore
  6. alor

    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2011
    Messages:
    7,451
    Likes Received:
    1,301
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Pulau Alor ;)
    ^ the fight is on the farmers
    like Russia getting German farmers to farm huge land plot in the country to compete with Germany
     
  7. JohnnyBravo300

    JohnnyBravo300 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2019
    Messages:
    491
    Likes Received:
    339
    Trophy Points:
    63
    The Africans are happy living in litter filled streets and polluting everything around them. They are their own worst enemy and not victims of anything.
    Its no different than the ghettos of America. Same people same lifestyles.
     
    leo25 likes this.
  8. Ipv6Ready

    Ipv6Ready Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2016
    Messages:
    3,614
    Likes Received:
    604
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    North Sydney
    Water is a non issue for food production.
    Portable water can be filtered easily.

    in modern developed society a city or country running out of water is just bad management
     
    leo25 and mmm....shiney! like this.
  9. sgbuyer

    sgbuyer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    May 25, 2018
    Messages:
    1,258
    Likes Received:
    635
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Singapore
    This is true but reverse osmosis is not cheap and uses electricity. It might be fine to support small populations of a couple million people or tens of millions but not feasible for countries with a billion people like what you have in India.

    Most solutions can’t work for long when you have too many people.
     
  10. Ipv6Ready

    Ipv6Ready Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2016
    Messages:
    3,614
    Likes Received:
    604
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    North Sydney
    Reverse osmosis is cheap compared to lack of water.
    Any country can do it, even India could do it forever.
    The country you live in has been doing it, also remember it’s not all or nothing, filtered or RO treatment is to supplement existing water and with global warming more countries will get higher rainfall.

    Also what I or you would consider potable water is different to what Indians would consider drinkable water and would be cheaper to produce and water for farming would be even cheaper.
     
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2019
  11. sgbuyer

    sgbuyer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    May 25, 2018
    Messages:
    1,258
    Likes Received:
    635
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Singapore
    Yes, of course, not just sea water. In Singapore even sewage water is all recycled. No water is wasted. This is why we need to further filter the water at home using carbon filters. It adds to the cost, not to mention the trouble.

    In Singapore, water is almost as expensive as electricity, I believe it is the same as in Perth, not sure about Sydney. Water is an expensive resource. As you said future wars in Asia will be fought over control of rivers, and not over land as most would believe.
     
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2019
    Ipv6Ready likes this.
  12. Ipv6Ready

    Ipv6Ready Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2016
    Messages:
    3,614
    Likes Received:
    604
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    North Sydney
    Singapore government can reduce the cost of producing water overnight by reducing the quality of water.
    The issue of cost is what are Singaporean’s willing to accept.

    As for cost.....
    water in Jakarta that support millions of Indonesian
    bore water that cows and people in Outback Australia towns drink
    Both would be unacceptable to Singaporean or in Australian cities but it would much cheaper.
     
  13. Jack2233

    Jack2233 New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2019
    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    3
    Don't forget that people in Japan have another culture and mentality. Also they are bought up in a different way. Speaking about jail, people in various countries want to go there instead of living on the streets.
     
  14. alor

    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2011
    Messages:
    7,451
    Likes Received:
    1,301
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Pulau Alor ;)
    mates are important to them, they could be found in jail mate
    the facilities are free compared to some sick hospitals
     
  15. Ipv6Ready

    Ipv6Ready Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2016
    Messages:
    3,614
    Likes Received:
    604
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    North Sydney
    hospitals are free for elderly in japan, problem is that a health check will give them an unwanted ticket out.....
    also jails for non violent crimes isn’t that much worse, some are better than low cost seniors housing, with free food, in house house keeping and medical service.
     
  16. openeyes

    openeyes Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2014
    Messages:
    694
    Likes Received:
    356
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Canberra
    What a perverse world we live in.
     
    leo25 likes this.
  17. TreasureHunter

    TreasureHunter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2012
    Messages:
    2,599
    Likes Received:
    197
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Treasure Island
    It's odd what's happening with food in general. Food price increases, food scarcity spreads in small steps. It is happening, just that people don't even notice the scarcity.

    I'm facing both in my area: some types of foods aren't available all the times (there are "gap" periods when they just don't have them and perhaps the shop workers don't know why/what is happening).

    The scarcity I'm reffering to: have you ever noticed that one particular food just "disappears" or only a few packages/boxes/cans are left? And it drags on and on for days... then they refill the shelves.

    ...then another product disappears. And no, it's not "marketing", not because the shop would want the other products to sell, it's because of something else...

    Happens quite often with fruits, vegetables, olives, fish, seafood in general, but also with eggs, meat etc.

    Never noticed this happening with the more "fake" and "less food" products: sweets, drinks etc. They'd just mix a bunch of E111 with E777, add some E333 and E666 and the product is ready. No scarcity. Provided that they have the chemical for it :D

    As for the insect invasions in China...

    Shield bugs have invaded most of Europe. Where did they come from? They're everywhere.

    Despite pesticides, the continent is full of shield bugs. The invasion has been happening since around 2015-2016. And it's still going on.

    It is odd, but it's like in the Bible. Insect invasions, hunger, wars... This is nuts!
     
  18. alor

    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2011
    Messages:
    7,451
    Likes Received:
    1,301
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Pulau Alor ;)
    price fix for chicken meat
     
  19. Ipv6Ready

    Ipv6Ready Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2016
    Messages:
    3,614
    Likes Received:
    604
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    North Sydney
    shit happens to poor, if they had better options I am sure they would take it.
    Japanese people could always do more, but Austrians could do more for homeless but we don’t
     
  20. sgbuyer

    sgbuyer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

    Joined:
    May 25, 2018
    Messages:
    1,258
    Likes Received:
    635
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Singapore
    A lot of people don't know that the cost of grocery in China is not lower than in the EU. Can you live on 30 cents a day?

    Price of cheap chicken eggs:

    1. HK Wellcome - https://www.wellcome.com.hk/wd2shop/en/mobile/html/shop/detail.html?bj_pdt_id=363908
    (30 eggs, USD4.59 - 0.15 cents per egg)


    2. China Tmall -
    https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?s...=2&is_b=1&rn=5030ce93b829ce98dab3a3d53ceb160d
    (40 eggs, USD5.23 - 0.13 cents per egg)


    3. Singapore Fairprice - https://www.fairprice.com.sg/product/11194824
    (30 eggs, USD3.70 - 0.12 cents per egg).

    4. Malaysia Tesco - https://eshop.tesco.com.my/groceries/en-GB/products/7070931607
    (15 eggs, USD1.56 - 0.10 cents per egg)

    5. UK Tesco - https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/299626009
    (15 eggs, USD1.54 - 0.10 cents per egg)

    6. US Walmart - https://grocery.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Large-White-Eggs-60-count-120-oz/193637719
    (60 eggs, USD5.04 - 0.08 cents per egg)

    7. Russia Pyaterochka - http://pyaterochkaakcii.ru/yayco-kurinoe-s1-10sht-5ka.html?search=Яйцо
    (10 eggs, USD0.81 - 0.08 cents per egg)


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50258307
     
    Last edited: Nov 3, 2019

Share This Page