Carbon Price announced today

Sorry man... 24hr benders with a cohort of porn stars is full of EPIC WIN.

 

Lol...too true!

 

I'd like to be a failed star

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalton_Minimum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spörer_Minimum

So, if low sunspot activity = cool climate, high sunspot activity = ???

 

This is a good article on how the man bear pig Al Gore reworked his version of the truth to forward his agenda. I like the conclusion too -

"Al charges over $100,000 per slide show. But the real money that Al will make is through his new company, Generation Investment Management, a company that seeks to establish the rules and licensing for the new carbon-trading scheme. We have all heard of politicians who lie for money and power; it looks as if Al did not retire after all."

http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/news.php?extend.11

I wonder what incentives Dillard has been given to pick a side in this debate?

Of course the data isn't clear enough to confirm one way or another all I know is that this has become politicized with one set of data and information and credible scientists and investigators who don't tow the AGW theory are being shunned as troublemakers and are discredited.

Of course we can't forget the climategate emails - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?_r=2

How can we be sure the information stands up on it's own if some of the humans involved are fudging the data to further their own agenda?

So we have 3 sides to this debate.

1. There is global warming and it is man-made
2. There is global warming but it is caused by solar activity and cycles of climate change the earth goes through
3. The earth is now going into a period of global cooling due to natural cycles of the earth.

 

As a biology grad
the carbon cycle is undergrad 101
and all else(solar cycles. etc) being equal
yes climate change is caused by humans.
But NOT by Ozzie humans !
Per head of population we probably have the least CO2
footprint amongst all nations.
We may even (as a nation) be a net sequestrator
of global CO2.
Surely we need to calculate human CO2 output per head
of population per unit area of land/person.
Therefore
I suggest that the shear vastness of this continent is a net
importer of CO2 via plants from the rest of the world.
Why then arent we taxing the rest of the world for their
pollution that our land is sequestrating?
And why are the greens and redjulia not doing so
and declaring war on its own citizens?

 

You got some solid proof to go with that broad statement?

 

Not yet
the satalite launced by NASA to measure net cycling of global per nations land mass of CO2
crasbed
and another is on its way to give you the numbers
DONT condescend me
if you didnt do 101 biology CO2 cycle @ an Oz Uni
MY YOUTH DIDNT DO YASI
WA RECORD 2011 temps
today
record low ARTIC ICE MASS
etc
we cant get real
about solutions
if you cant even draw the carbon cycle?

 

Proof? Depends what you mean by proof. Evidence? yes.

But since everybody here is probably sick and tired of this conversation going nowhere I'll just post this handy little flowchart here that might just head off another train wreck of a thread. Maybe...


Source: http://thoughtcatalog.com/2011/how-to-have-a-rational-discussion/

 

thanks dwayne that should be a sticky on the top of all topics

 

Oh my apologies
yr a pyschologist
but can you draw the "carbon cycle'?

 

You say you went to Uni, yet, completely fail to piece together a comprehendible paragraph.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, it's Friday after all. Would you like to try again?

 

If you're a graduate you could at least attempt to use proper grammer, spelling and sentence structure. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say.

Who are you replying to here anyway?

Ha, got beaten to the punch by Mud Gecko

 

I second both of the above posts or should i just say ....what?

 

And it ( carbon cycle) is the only basis (like gold)
to tax for a genuine economy
so here in Oz we are sequestrating/head popn/ land area
more than any of our trading partners.
So why is Julia taxing us
and not our trading partners
for our least global density population/ area unit-nation?
Howard knew it to exempt Oz's from Kyoto.
Plant more trees
grow more vegs
and declare to yr local fed member
you deserve a
carbon tax deduction
and tell the inner city green voters
to bulldoze their houses
and plant trees for tax credts.
Myself
here
the
bush
are tired
of city
hyps
we
get less tax pork
to absorb your CO2 pollution
How about tenting here bush
a few yrs
and doze yr city 1/4's to save the Jap polluters.
Oh
Sorry
my arrogance
nuclear
is good for your health!

 

Dwayne, I like your discussion flow chart, but the parties need to be speaking the same language for it to work I think.

 

oh bulldoze the houses of just the green voters?get less tax pork & tenting here bush ahhhhh i dont know why i couldnt get it b4 its all clear now

 

I'm beginning to think the same thing. Maybe it's because I didn't do biology at an OZ uni?

 

Good lets doze all the concrete
and plant trees
so you monolingual
monobrains
did you do google "carbon cycle"
and use yr pencil/pAper
to endorse R.Ponting to run the global carbon idiot's
debate your (yr) my tribe computer tappers!

 

and if the "climate change" is linked to the planetary effect of a passing brown dwarf on a highly elliptical orbit as a binary companion to our central sun do we get our money back? I doubt it.