Carbon Price announced today

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  1. Agauholic

    Agauholic New Member

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    Sorry man... 24hr benders with a cohort of porn stars is full of EPIC WIN.
     
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    Lol...too true!
     
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    I'd like to be a failed star
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalton_Minimum

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spörer_Minimum

    So, if low sunspot activity = cool climate, high sunspot activity = ???
     
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    This is a good article on how the man bear pig Al Gore reworked his version of the truth to forward his agenda. I like the conclusion too -

    "Al charges over $100,000 per slide show. But the real money that Al will make is through his new company, Generation Investment Management, a company that seeks to establish the rules and licensing for the new carbon-trading scheme. We have all heard of politicians who lie for money and power; it looks as if Al did not retire after all."

    http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/news.php?extend.11

    I wonder what incentives Dillard has been given to pick a side in this debate?

    Of course the data isn't clear enough to confirm one way or another all I know is that this has become politicized with one set of data and information and credible scientists and investigators who don't tow the AGW theory are being shunned as troublemakers and are discredited.

    Of course we can't forget the climategate emails - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?_r=2

    How can we be sure the information stands up on it's own if some of the humans involved are fudging the data to further their own agenda?

    So we have 3 sides to this debate.

    1. There is global warming and it is man-made
    2. There is global warming but it is caused by solar activity and cycles of climate change the earth goes through
    3. The earth is now going into a period of global cooling due to natural cycles of the earth.
     
  6. Mosh

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    As a biology grad
    the carbon cycle is undergrad 101
    and all else(solar cycles. etc) being equal
    yes climate change is caused by humans.
    But NOT by Ozzie humans !
    Per head of population we probably have the least CO2
    footprint amongst all nations.
    We may even (as a nation) be a net sequestrator
    of global CO2.
    Surely we need to calculate human CO2 output per head
    of population per unit area of land/person.
    Therefore
    I suggest that the shear vastness of this continent is a net
    importer of CO2 via plants from the rest of the world.
    Why then arent we taxing the rest of the world for their
    pollution that our land is sequestrating?
    And why are the greens and redjulia not doing so
    and declaring war on its own citizens?
     
  7. Mud Gecko

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    You got some solid proof to go with that broad statement?
     
  8. Mosh

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    Not yet
    the satalite launced by NASA to measure net cycling of global per nations land mass of CO2
    crasbed
    and another is on its way to give you the numbers
    DONT condescend me
    if you didnt do 101 biology CO2 cycle @ an Oz Uni
    MY YOUTH DIDNT DO YASI
    WA RECORD 2011 temps
    today
    record low ARTIC ICE MASS
    etc
    we cant get real
    about solutions
    if you cant even draw the carbon cycle?
     
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    Proof? Depends what you mean by proof. Evidence? yes.

    But since everybody here is probably sick and tired of this conversation going nowhere I'll just post this handy little flowchart here that might just head off another train wreck of a thread. Maybe...

    [​IMG]
    Source: http://thoughtcatalog.com/2011/how-to-have-a-rational-discussion/
     
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    thanks dwayne that should be a sticky on the top of all topics
     
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    Oh my apologies
    yr a pyschologist
    but can you draw the "carbon cycle'?
     
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    You say you went to Uni, yet, completely fail to piece together a comprehendible paragraph.

    I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, it's Friday after all. Would you like to try again?
     
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    If you're a graduate you could at least attempt to use proper grammer, spelling and sentence structure. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say.

    Who are you replying to here anyway?

    Ha, got beaten to the punch by Mud Gecko :)
     
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    I second both of the above posts or should i just say ....what?
     
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    And it ( carbon cycle) is the only basis (like gold)
    to tax for a genuine economy
    so here in Oz we are sequestrating/head popn/ land area
    more than any of our trading partners.
    So why is Julia taxing us
    and not our trading partners
    for our least global density population/ area unit-nation?
    Howard knew it to exempt Oz's from Kyoto.
    Plant more trees
    grow more vegs
    and declare to yr local fed member
    you deserve a
    carbon tax deduction
    and tell the inner city green voters
    to bulldoze their houses
    and plant trees for tax credts.
    Myself
    here
    the
    bush
    are tired
    of city
    hyps
    we
    get less tax pork
    to absorb your CO2 pollution
    How about tenting here bush
    a few yrs
    and doze yr city 1/4's to save the Jap polluters.
    Oh
    Sorry
    my arrogance
    nuclear
    is good for your health!
     
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    Dwayne, I like your discussion flow chart, but the parties need to be speaking the same language for it to work I think.
     
  17. renovator

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    oh bulldoze the houses of just the green voters?get less tax pork & tenting here bush ahhhhh i dont know why i couldnt get it b4 its all clear now
     
  18. Dwayne

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    I'm beginning to think the same thing. Maybe it's because I didn't do biology at an OZ uni? :)
     
  19. Mosh

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    Good lets doze all the concrete
    and plant trees
    so you monolingual
    monobrains
    did you do google "carbon cycle"
    and use yr pencil/pAper
    to endorse R.Ponting to run the global carbon idiot's
    debate your (yr) my tribe computer tappers!
     
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    and if the "climate change" is linked to the planetary effect of a passing brown dwarf on a highly elliptical orbit as a binary companion to our central sun do we get our money back? I doubt it.
     
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