Beware who you meet with in the street.

Not because of anything you or anyone else has done in their past YET.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/guilt-by-association/story-e6frg6z6-1226453627754

You may have never known the person before nor met that particular person more than once, but under the current law in NSW you only need to be associated with two individuals with past indictable crimes to become accused of consorting now, shit it could even be relatives. Nothing to worry about if you are innocent and don't do anything wrong right ? Except get taken to court and have to prove your innocence ?.

 

In a similar boat Will, lucky I am in Vic though

 

The irony is that as a deterrent for hanging out with a bunch of convicted criminals they can put you in jail...with a bunch of convicted criminals.

I don't think this was thought through very well...

 

Wow. That makes all the difference doesn't it

Brings to mind the lack of proof in the NSW "balloon release law" where it is illegal to release 20+ helium balloons but you can be charged for doing, say, 10:

 

As the meet organiser for Brissy - this kind of paranoid sensationalist bullshit makes my blood boil.

I'm sorry SC, but I expected something so much more cogent from someone I've always respected. Even when I've disagreed with you in the past, I've always been able to rationalise it, until I saw this.

Just so people are aware, not sure how it works in other states/cities but here in Brisbane we have a 'vouching' system where in order to come, you must have had a fair number of trade references (with some F2F's in there) and be vouched for by another stacker. I'll often call or PM people to get the juice on an unknown person who's expressed interest, and if they aren't known - they don't get an invite.

I think the title of this thread is nothing more than BS scaremongering. As far as I'm aware, there are no hardened criminals at our meets, and they aren't welcome either.

Apoligies in advance if this appears scathing - but myself and another Brissy stacker have just had consecutive meets in the last 2 weeks, and this kind of utter dross just puts people off what is a nice, pleasant, friendly and more to the point CONFIDENTIAL, PRIVATE and SECURE place to network. I'll take issue with anything that will disturb that, as is my responsibility, and that of anyone attending a meet.

A stupidly worded post like this, which has NOTHING at all to do with our network, and more to do with organised crime, money laundering and drug/weapons running - completely twists the truth... and I would ask that you never make a ridiculous comparison like this again, unless we take in a huge influx of hells angel stackers...

I was having a great morning 'til I read this bollocks... Cheers!

 

^^^ I didn't take that meaning at all. The point is that despite the laws notionally being about "evil" hells angels' it can equally apply to everyday people meeting in everyday situations.

Not averse to southerncross renaming the post if you thought people could be turned off by reading the title of the book alone.

 

Excellent I could meet you twice do two F2Fs and you would let me into a meet. I could also be convicted of crimes and I doubt there is an easy way of you vetting my criminal past.

I read the original post as a warning against the law and that he had used meets as an example. He could have equally said beware of who you meet down the pub.

 

There is an easy way to check, and that is with a certain type of licence which requires background checks to be done by the powers that bee, however it is not cheap to get the licence.

 

Worked with a person who shot one person with intent to kill, and was hunting another also with intent to kill at the same time. On TV, the whole box and dice. I didn't find out about it for several years, yet I worked closely with him.

He was highly trained and a specialist in his field, very intelligent fun loving person.

 

^ The above would make an excellent ad for a dating site: GSOH, Intelligent, Fun Loving, Trained Killer... ^

 

Australia is a police state - just like the US and the UK... so no surprises there

 

not urprises there either ... probably around 99% of all laws the government makes are bad ito unintended consequences and should be revoked.

The fact that each and every law passed each day is a further infringement on the freedoms of individuals is a separate but important consideration as well.

I remember reading somewhere (Kris Sayce i think) about how lucky Belgium is to have had a hung parliament for something like two years (and counting...) in that the parliament was unable to enact new legislation - which was a great blessing for the people of the country - as any country with a government incapable of passing new laws meant that no more laws = no MORE stuffups/unintended consequences/no further encroachment of freedoms/no more fines, taxes, and any other legalised form of theft by the government, etc. etc..

I sure wish Australia would get to that point where government would be completely incapacitated and could no longer pass any more (hair brained) laws...

 

The point that I was trying to make, albeit badly, was that I worked with the person concerned prior to the incident, through the incident and for years afterwards. All without knowing anything about it.

 

For what its worth Boston - I've worked with social workers who have been heroin users before, and have been under the influence while I've been at work with them.

It was a massive broadside to me... I consider myself to be fairly streetsmart, but not knowing that someone was coming down while I worked with them was a huge shock.

'You never know' is a good phrase to use, which is why I try to ensure the safety and security of any stacker attending a meet.

Apologies if I took things a little to heart, but the title of the thread riled me to no end. I'm intrigued to hear what the other meet organisers think - I've got that niggling feeling I've had an online outburst...

 

Source: wrongcards

 

I love that doing something twice is habitual.

 

The definition of "consorting" doesn't seem to differentiate between being in close physical proximity to another person and communicating with them over the internet.

I've got no idea if anyone reading this thread is a member of the Hells Angels and I doubt anyone else does either.

All that would have to happen is a cop comes on here and says "Don't communicate with Bob Stacker" and we'd all be guilty of an offence. And that's without even getting into the kinds of issues the forum owner and admins would have by enabling and permitting the act of "consorting" just by letting somebody register as a forum member. goldpelican could (theoretically) find himself in a position where he has the choice of banning members with criminal convictions or going to jail (even if those convictions were for trivial offences committed decades ago).

I've met a fair number of stackers in person and one thing I can say is that we're a very diverse lot. I know there are some people on here who would have trouble playing the rent sometimes and other people who are on six figure salaries. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if some people have criminal convictions.

This consorting law is seriously f---ked up. It is dangerous. It has already been abused, as demonstrated by the example in the first post.

Don't think it can't affect you.

 

They can make it mean whatever they want once they are granted the powers under law. RD it was not my intention to cast a bad light on SS meets I was just using it as an example.

 

No worries, and again - apologies for my outburst - that was uncouth...

 

One group after another until it is your group..Then last of all, the SS.,

Nearly 5000 members..Maybe we would all be in the one jail!

Could you imagine some of the pairings for each cell.

I want to be in the Blacksmiths section and get my 3pence a day in silver.

Now on a more serious note, I think that SC is only trying to bring to our attention of what a government may do in future bad times. Give me your gold and silver or else you are a traitor to your country may well be the call of the day. You have been talking to a member of the SS who we don't like because he has been in Jail for spreading rumors that fiat is junk and only gold and silver have value.

How the hell do I know if any of my fellow stackers have done jail time?. Are all the protesters in Spain, Greece and Ireland viewed as being crims just because they oppose the real crims in society?

IMHO, our liberties are slowly being eroded away and it is sure good for me to know that there are members here on SS that are game enough to criticize some of the rules and regulation that are being forced on Australian citizens all in the name of protection.

Regard Errol 43