X months talk of QE tapering, but figures show the opposite.

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  1. Pirocco

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    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/TOTRESNS.txt
    2008-01-01 44.891
    2008-02-01 43.823
    2008-03-01 43.774
    2008-04-01 45.035
    2008-05-01 46.874
    2008-06-01 45.809
    2008-07-01 45.977
    2008-08-01 45.791
    2008-09-01 102.893
    2008-10-01 314.799
    2008-11-01 609.135
    2008-12-01 820.876
    2009-01-01 860.235
    2009-02-01 700.960
    2009-03-01 778.129
    2009-04-01 881.737
    2009-05-01 902.806
    2009-06-01 809.734
    2009-07-01 796.542
    2009-08-01 828.743
    2009-09-01 922.595
    2009-10-01 1056.716
    2009-11-01 1141.597
    2009-12-01 1140.450
    2010-01-01 1112.375
    2010-02-01 1225.481
    2010-03-01 1184.492
    2010-04-01 1117.447
    2010-05-01 1111.335
    2010-06-01 1099.205
    2010-07-01 1087.751
    2010-08-01 1085.053
    2010-09-01 1047.863
    2010-10-01 1039.671
    2010-11-01 1038.635
    2010-12-01 1078.001
    2011-01-01 1110.349
    2011-02-01 1263.701
    2011-03-01 1434.881
    2011-04-01 1527.988
    2011-05-01 1589.809
    2011-06-01 1665.828
    2011-07-01 1696.559
    2011-08-01 1666.555
    2011-09-01 1643.454
    2011-10-01 1638.918
    2011-11-01 1592.413
    2011-12-01 1598.716
    2012-01-01 1619.192
    2012-02-01 1659.924
    2012-03-01 1606.345
    2012-04-01 1586.705
    2012-05-01 1558.506
    2012-06-01 1555.380
    2012-07-01 1583.770
    2012-08-01 1582.193
    2012-09-01 1517.507
    2012-10-01 1525.583
    2012-11-01 1546.110
    2012-12-01 1570.383
    2013-01-01 1636.934
    2013-02-01 1733.393
    2013-03-01 1811.300
    2013-04-01 1884.689
    2013-05-01 1981.983
    2013-06-01 2062.906
    2013-07-01 2147.706
    2013-08-01 2252.631
    2013-09-01 2333.852
    2013-10-01 2427.797

    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/TOTRESNS
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    It has been stable in the period may 2011 till december 2012.

    2008 added 815B
    2009 added 252B
    2010 removed 2B
    2011 added 509B
    2012 added 17B
    2013 added 790B so far

    At current 2013 increasing rate, 2013's QE will match 2008's peak and likely even exceed it.

    How does this fit in all the talk about QE tapering?
    The QE action, is exactly the opposite of the QE talk.

    This total amount reserves determines the amount new billions that US state receives from the Fed, at a same interest rate.
    So the inflationary part of it is the interest rate part alone, not the total on the balance.
    A higher balance allows the Fed to 'donate' more dollars without increasing interest rates, as to not give for ex bank depositors also more dollars.
     
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    It is not a smart thing to do to use Q.E. as a guide for future gold price. With all this Q.E. gold price is still falling......there is no fixed relationship....at all.
     
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    Gold price is a largely a function of which amounts central banks buy/sell but this aside.
    The interest rate part of QE is the new fiatcurrency that gets into circulation. More fiatcurrency without more produced value leads to higher prices. People that swap their fiatcurrency to certain products alike gold and silver and whatever are seeking compensation, better than a bank accounts interest, for these higher prices. So this alone already draws a relation. Of course, it's not a fixed one, and certainly not on the short term, but if you average out decades, you see a high correlation. For alot, existing/unchanged, products, alike commodities.
    A correlation doesn't have to be a parallel in order to be named as such. Periods of divergence, whether days, weeks, months or years, do happen, simply because it's hard to find out what the result will be of all peoples actions together, and thus people make errors, and others take advantage of this, causing the price fluctuations superimposed over the decades average trend.

    So generally, the amount created and spent fiatcurrency, does serve as a rude measurement for an estimation of price inflation danger.
    And you know all this as well as me. The goal isn't a fixed relationship, the goal is to have a general idea of what price may be fine to pay, for the next years/decade/your time horizon, to come.

    I used it when I started stacking silver early 2011. It prevented me to buy above $32. If I had been aware of the Excess Reserves existence, and the real meaning of QE (interest rate part matters, not the balance total) I would have set a much lower $limit. The new circulating money is about 2008's amount + 40%. 2008's silver price average was $15. $15+40%=$21. 2013's average so far is $24 and will likely drop some more with 5 weeks to go. It isn't far off, isn't it? Can be applied to 2008's bottom price of $9 too, $9+40%=a chance on $13. Not that I'll wait till there, I decided a strategy to purchase at new bottoms, so if $17 passes, I'll probably already purchase some, also taking into account the futures position, that gives an idea which part of the price is not due to actual silver purchases. There is still a trend of a same total net position at a lower becoming price. The speed of this trend is much smaller than it has been before, but still it's there.

    Just to make clear: if you take into account more and more elements, you get closer to picking bottoms. Picking peaks is an entirely different story, that just depends on estimating the degree at which people can be misled, haha.
     
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    To add new TOTRESNS data to aboves list of 3 months ago:
    2013-10-01 2427.797
    > 2013-11-01 2517.052
    > 2013-12-01 2541.019
    > 2014-01-01 2556.400
    > 2014-02-01 2650.127
    Tapering where?
    I assume that if a central bank talks about doing something, it's about doing something / action eh?
    It said it would 'taper'.
    But their balances show not any indication of a trend change.
    The past months I saw a hang, but in previous years such hangs happened too.
    But now it again made such a typical jump of about 100 billion.
    Tapering?
    Where?
    What changed?
    Nothing?
     

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