What is your Stock Market post Covid-19 Vaccine strategy

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  1. Ipv6Ready

    Ipv6Ready Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Interested to hear about Investment strategies members are planning

    Personally I dont see a market crash going forward though few temporary corrections of 5% to 10% would likely occur but personally think it will recover rapidly and overall the market is just powering along.

    1. All the feds are pumping money into the market
    2. Vaccine is a guarantee in early 2021
    3. Mums, Dads, kids and grand parents are all keen in the market

    Looking over the horizon of the new world post-Covid and developing Hot War (China vs USA)

    1. I see Hightened opportunities in these sectors that are depressed and likely double
    • Lithium with EV revolution - Pilbara, Galaxy and plenty of others
    • Rare Earth due to national security - Lynas and Ioneer
    • Oil as people start driving again - All the majors
    2. Some sectors that need selection but some gems out there
    • Property ie shopping centres and industrial but not commercial offices - Airports, Scentre and Goodmans etc
    3. Precious Metals - Convergence divergents investers groups with different philophies seeing a place of Gold in their portfolio and acting on it.
    • Hedge against devaluation
    • SFTF love affair with physical
    • Low Interest rates
    • ETF ease of holding paper gold
    4. Stable companies that has been crushed by Covid but not recovered comparatively
    • Media companies like OOH!MEDIA and Southern Cross Media
    All companies mentioned are in my portfolio and I am looking to double the initial investment over three to five years. But some like oil I will trade in and out with high oil and back in with lower oil.

    I was lucky and basically in Cash in Jan 2020 and started moving back into stocks hard around May and am 80% in stocks, 15% paper metals and 5% cash today
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Oil, gold, gas, 5G, space/aerospace, defence.

    Gas and 5G probably highest priority.
     
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    heartastack Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Any good examples of 5G exposure mate?
     
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    Not yet. The ones I've been looking at are mostly foreign companies like Nokia, Samsung, Erikson etc which aren't on the ASX. Ive just signed up to eToro to see if their international trading fees are cheaper than CMC. It's still early days for me in shares as I seek to diversify away from gold stocks.
     
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    Ipv6Ready Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    eToro and Stake is the go.

    Interested in hearing why you are diverfying away gold?
    I personally dont see Gold hitting $3,000 but I believe $2500 is on the cards over 2021 and over the last few months increased my gold holding to 15% from 5% (I aways talked about going higher but it took Covid to make the move) but all ETF. And using it like secondary cash holdings.

    As for 5G Ericsson, Samsung, Nokia, LG and Qualcomm, if staying away from Huawei.

    Samsung and LG is iffy as their earning will be drowned out by other parts of the group unless they spin it out to dedicated subsidiaries.
    Qualcomm much like SS and LG, 5g growth would be drowned out, ie not carrier think phone
    Also stay away from Cisco 5g, doubt many carriers would even entertain the idea of using Cisco 5g hardware


    Don't know anyything about space/aerospace but defence would be interesting if the ship hasn't sailed yet
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Just because it already makes up an oversized portion of my share portfolio and I've got exposure to it in both personal assets, and via my SMSF.

    I appreciate your advice there.

    I think that with the potential for governments to start spending big these sectors may well benefit so there is room for upside potential.
     
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    I'll leave most of mine in metals like always.
    A little in some stocks. Nothing will be much different for me except the hyperinflation that is coming.
     
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    Semi developed acerage with freehold title.
    relatively close to running water, and historically not burnt out.
    Koondrook, Barham type area !
    :)
     
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    Ipv6Ready Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Good call, but I'm too young for that (48) when I retire I plan to buy/move to Byron Bay or other areas like it.
     
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    Your not too young for that!
    Similar age to me, and I've already been here for over a decade. ;)
     
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    Very luckily I enjoy the work I do, when I was 40 I had a midlife crisies, bought a convertible, cruiser and partied with younger girls, 4 months in total of long service leave plus leave of absence....

    On my return I asked my boss to work two days a week (had to take a demotion) after working for the company 15 years.

    That didnt last long... I got so bored after about 5 months of it, I was itiching to get back and luckily the person the company hired decided to leave within the year lol and I came back.

    I guess it is a peronality trait... when I take holiday, by the end I am always keen to get back lol.
     
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    I’ve been down the ETF’s rabbit hole recently, and hadn’t even thought that such an ETF was an option. Logically makes sense, but there’s hardly a benchmark history for such niche ETFs. Thanks for the link @mmm....shiney! ill have a good look at this one :)
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Stellar overperformance on the NASDAQ.

    https://seekingalpha.com/article/4371833-espo-gaming-boom-is-near-end

    I wonder how they're going to value this when released here? Based on the same ETF on the NASDAQ? Which suggests there could be a correction. Or at a discount to that valuation, which could mean it may be good buying. I don't have enough experience to answer that, hopefully you or someone else can point me in the right direction.
     
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    I've long wanted to have a chunk of Australian banks in my SMSF, but always thought they were overvalued while watching them go higher and higher, CBA peaked at $90 around mid February. I started buying CBA in early March at $70, managed to nab a few under $55 in the insane panic mid to late March. Had the finger on the buy button yesterday morning actually when the market wobbled at open, but got greedy and decided to wait for lower prices, which never happened. There will likely be short term uncertainty and panic which will cause people to irrationally sell again and I'll be waiting.

    If you have a long term view, there is a fair amount of money to be made playing the inevitable mining cycles. If you were quick in early 2016 you could have grabbed some BHP for under $15. So my strategy here is to attempt to figure out the top (hahaha) and sell the BHP already in my SMSF and wait for the inevitable next mining bust in 2 or 3 or 4 years, whenever it comes along. Or just keep it for the dividends in the good years, I should do some math here first before selling, but I don't think we are at the top yet, although iron ore is looking pretty darn toppy and BHP makes a lot of money from iron ore.

    Post covid, or sooner, there is likely to be a lot of infrastructure built in Australia which will be good for the companies that do this. Problem is, everybody knows this, and we don't know which companies will get the contracts, so one could take an industry approach here and buy some of all of them. Unfortunately I am already heavily overweight a particular contractor that I picked up during the mining bust of 2015 / 2016 and they also do plenty of civil work, so I'm personally loath to put anymore dollars towards contractors but I would if I didn't already have them.
     

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