Toning of coins/medals. Is that more valuable or less valuable?

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  1. Gatito Bandito

    Gatito Bandito Active Member

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    We've already had this discussion here a long time ago.

    But I'll mention it again..


    You do acknowledge the fact that dipping a coin is an additional & even worse form of surface corrosion, than had you simply left the toned coin alone, correct?

    Just want to make sure. Yes or no will suffice.. ;)
     
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    Remember this one? :D

    Would you say another from a former PCI slab?


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    Yes, That is very likely PCI toning. Terrific looking coin. Give it back...lol.
     
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    Thanks for the info.


    Fantastic coin, indeedy..

    And the price of this type has since appreciated considerably! :D


    But special price for you.. Only 50% more than what I paid.. ;)
     
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    Yes.



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    I think we've made a bit of a breakthrough here today.

    We're out of time, but we'll explore this some more next week.


    Please see the receptionist on the way out.. ;)
     
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    ^ I feel like Monk after a session....I just can't believe time ran out so quickly. :)



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    To answer Andrew's original question, now that we've seen some examples of what could be perceived as nicely-toned specimens to certain collectors..


    Yes, I've personally paid more $$ for great toning that caught my eye, all else being equal.

    In at least 3 out of the 5 that I shared here, I know for a fact that the realized price was inflated due to the toning, when compared to a non-toned or not-so-great-toned one. And I happily paid up -- before somebody else would have.


    Obviously a variety of other factors come into play (original mintage, approx surviving mintage, overall demand & availability, grade, condition, personal budget & desire, etc. -- and even certain wear patterns for the circulated ones), which need to be calculated into the equation.

    But nice toning, to me, is oftentimes essential. I usually skip over the clean ones (obviously dipped, or otherwise, as in a center-of-the-bag Morgan).

    And I definitely skip over the dark/gross/ugly ones, some of which are probably a good candidate for a method of tarnish-removal that wouldn't result in the coin getting a Details grade. Yes, mmissing.. in some cases it's difficult to argue *against* trying to remove at least some of the offensive toning if done in an appropriate way & if the person knows what they're doing. However, keep in mind that once done successfully, you might potentially be in for an unpleasant surprise of what's been hidden underneath, as well -- and there's no turning back at that point.



    Anyway..

    Yes, the nicely-toned ones are special & unique snowflakes, no two ever exactly alike. :p

    And they're fantastic to admire. Usually even nicer in-hand, which can't be fully captured in photos/videos.


    However, there's also the added bonus, if slabbed & the image was recorded by the TPG, of the toning as a *security feature*.

    Is a counterfeiter honestly going to try to replicate down to the minute details of the exact toning of this specific piece? Good luck with that. :lol:

    Instead, I believe their time & money is better spent elsewhere. (And yes, there are some who try to doctor fakes to make them look toned/worn, and usually do a horrible job -- but that's also where the TPG's large high-res images come in handy for a potential buyer/seller.)



    So, awesome to look at? Holds its premium & desirability? Plus potentially a great security feature?

    Yeah, I'd say any extra $$ (reasonably speaking) is worth it -- at least for relatively older coins (say, 10+ years)...
     
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    I agree with mmissinglink, if I have to choose between "clean" and toned coin or medal I would select first any day. Over years my opinion maybe changed a little bit as some toned PM looks quite nice and as somebody said it gives some uniqueness to the medal or coin.

    Long live clean coins (Earth)!:p
     
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    Well say, I start to love some nice natural toning coins. However, I need to study it more and learn more of it before buying the expansive item. I bought my 27 gram and 1 oz silver panda from year 1983 till current with NGC 69 or above within 1/2 years to fulfil my eager to get things done. I pay a bit higher premium than other to get it in short period. I learn the experiences and try not to repeat again.
     
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    Half baked brass/copper toning

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    Here is a new toner I scored.

    1990 Silver Eagle PCGS MS69

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