So things aren't fixed ?

boneyard · Jan 20, 2013

Thanks to all who have replied to this thread.

I have enjoyed all the points raised.

There are some alert / aware well spoken members on this forum..

Looking forward to more insights.

JulieW · Jan 20, 2013

The manipulation is not to do with making money, it is to do with maintaining power, and governments will do anything to remain in power.

The manipulation of PMs has many positive consequences for the power mongers, hence the attention paid to keeping price rises orderly, and the people from panicking.

It's a bit like holding an ice cube to the thermometer whilst you check the patient's temperature. "Look you're well, your temperature hasn't risen".

Source: Sheep Land

CriticalSilver · Jan 20, 2013

While smoke=/=fire is true, smoke=!fire is false. That is, while proven systemic corruption in one facet of the global financial system doesn't in itself confirm all aspects of the global financial system are corrupt, it does indicate that they could be corrupt.

One of the major motivators for investing in PMs is fear. A sense that geo-political & global financial systems are becoming increasingly unstable is all the motivation people need to by PMs. Some people have different risk appetites and were sensitive enough to dive into PMs back in 2001/2, some in 2008, others on any of the numerous and compounding financial scandals and monetary stimulus measures since then.

If vested interests are aligned with maintaining the status quo, and if a rising price of PMs means more investors into PMs, then that is all the motivation required by the powers that be to influence markets.

Some people just wait until they read it in the newspaper or watch it on the TV before believing enything is wrong. However, contrary to these people being despised by the powers that be, they are the standard work units that they want everyone to be.

The idea that these parasitic elite are working for the betterment of the planet though and that their (hyperthetical) forced depopulation of the depedent masses they have worked so hard to create is their objective, to create a libertarian paradise of self-motivated, self-reliant people is a little hard to swallow, imo. They are parasites and derive their power and position from control, which is of course the antithesis of freedom.

Honestly, I just can't see Gillard and her Hairdresser succeeding in a world without welfare dependents and wage slaves! Who will pick her up when she falls over in a depopulated world?

Midnight Man · Jan 20, 2013

Gino said:

The idea that these parasitic elite are working for the betterment of the planet though and that their (hyperthetical) forced depopulation of the depedent masses they have worked so hard to create is their objective, to create a libertarian paradise of self-motivated, self-reliant people is a little hard to swallow, imo. They are parasites and derive their power and position from control, which is of course the antithesis of freedom.
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Thanks Gino for pointing this out - and in case my post above wasn't clear (and, I'll be the first to admit, I tried not to ramble, but without much success), I don't believe the powers that be are trying to do anything for the betterment of the planet, I believe though, that they may be willing to "wipe the slate clean" as it were, by going through a major economic meltdown, in order to reduce the population, in order to better control them "on the other side".

In other words, let things go to pot, appear to try to work as hard and as quickly as possible to restore a sense of "normalcy", and come out the other side with "unavoidable losses" in a situation where "we did the best we could".

There are further lines of thinking that one can extrapolate from here, but I'm not sure this is the right place to be going into further potential theories on these things.

southerncross · Jan 21, 2013

Excellent stuff people,

Juliew wrote:

The manipulation is not to do with making money, it is to do with maintaining power, and governments will do anything to remain in power.

The manipulation of PMs has many positive consequences for the power mongers, hence the attention paid to keeping price rises orderly, and the people from panicking.

It's a bit like holding an ice cube to the thermometer whilst you check the patient's temperature. "Look you're well, your temperature hasn't risen".
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Totally agree, however I lean more towards those with the real power those behind and responsible for the actions of governments. The ones you don't see pulling the strings.

The Swiss Federal Institute (SFI) in Zurich released a study entitled "The Network of Global Corporate Control" that proves a small consortiums of corporations mainly banks run the world. A mere 147 corporations which form a "super entity" have control 40% of the world's wealth; which is the real economy. These mega-corporations are at the center of the global economy. The banks found to be most influential include:

Barclays
Goldman Sachs
JPMorgan Chase & Co
Vanguard Group
UBS
Deutsche Bank
Bank of New York Melon Corp
Morgan Stanley
Bank of America Corp
Socit Gnrale

However as the connections to the controlling groups are networked throughout the world, they become the catalyst for global financial collapse.
James Glattfelder, complex systems theorist at the SFI explains: "In effect, less than one per cent of the companies were able to control 40 per cent of the entire network."
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http://occupycorporatism.com/swiss-study-shows-147-technocratic-super-entities-rule-the-world/

I think this article sum's things up quite well, It's not just a case of manipulation for profit but total global control and if you don't play by their rules then you are eliminated, Libya, Syria, Iran, are good examples. And this? http://forums.silverstackers.com/post.php?tid=35892&qid=466101

Gold And Silver Nearing "Crunch Time"
Commodities / Gold and Silver 2013 Jan 20, 2013 - 02:59 PM

By: Michael_Noonan

"Oh! What a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive"
From Marmion, Canto VI, Stanza 17, Sir Walter Scott

What does this have to do with gold and silver? Everything! We are in a
trench warfare with central bankers, hellbent on destroying capitalism,
sovereign nations, currencies, all in the service of achieving world dominance,
via deception, letting nothing and no one stand in the way. The importance
of gold and, to a lesser extent, silver are the Achilles Heel of the Bilderberg
Clan's largest Ponzi scheme ever. Whatever one may think of the Mafia, they
are bit players in contrast to the central banking clan, the most ruthless
collection of individuals ever assembled.

The Bilderbergers do not break legs or use baseball bats against their intended
victims. No, they are far more sinister and lethal. They use money, instead.

That's it?! That's all you got?!

Yep. That is all they need. Never forgot those hauntingly and deadly accurate
prophetic words of Meyer Amschel Rothschild: "Give me control of a nation's
money, and I care not who makes the laws." Nathan A Bauer sure knew what
he was doing. He also had his name changed to "Rothschild," German for red
shield, a sign he hung over his coin store in the 1740s. Vanity plates have been
popular for centuries.

What Mr Bauer learned is that it was far more profitable to lend money to
governments who wanted to finance their wars. The loans were not only bigger,
they were more secure, backed by a nation's taxes. The dynamic secret of N A Bauer
was that he loaned whatever the governments wanted, and demanded gold as payment
in return of the debts. His basic game plan has not changed, but it has now reached
its zenith. Control of the world's gold is at stake. [Charts are coming, we promise.]

Deception runs center stage for the central bankers. The United States is a prime
example. The US has been in bankruptcy since 1933, owned by its creditors. Who
are those creditors? Central bankers, run by an unseen elite, like the Bilderberg
Group. What do they control? The money of the world, and by extension, the world.

Who elected The Basel Committee, the Bank of International Settlements, the
International Monetary Fund, central bankers, including the US Federal Reserve?
Answer: themselves. Did you ever vote for any of them? Do you know of anyone
who voted for them? Do you even know who they are? Yet, they run the world via
fiat currency lending, actually now reduced to computerized clicks on a keyboard.

Need $200,000 billion? Click. Viola! What backs it? Nothing. Who owes it?
Ostensibly, governments, but they just pass it on to their "constituents," people
like you and me. What is demanded as payment? Gold, first and foremost.
Despite central bank claims that gold is anathema to their fiat currency, that
non-tungsten metal is what central bankers covet the most.

What was the target for Greece, Ireland, Italy, Spain? Their gold reserves. "Sure,
we will lend you whatever you need. Here is a blank check. Tell us what you want."
When it is payback time, naturally, those countries are unable to pay back. In fact,
they need more. "We will take your gold as payment." The Rothschild way, by
design. Create non-existent money out of thin air and demand hard assets in return.

When you run out of gold, we will bankrupt your country and take it over, as silent
partners of course, vis-a-vis the United States, since 1933. Who are these people,
again? No one you know, but they run your lives.

Why do you think Germany and the European Parliament are pushing so hard for a
unified Europe? The United States is their boiler plate model. Unify Europe under
a single currency, then everyone will come under their thumb. Tick tock!

"Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsionwhen you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothingwhen you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favorswhen you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against youwhen you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrificeyou may know that your society is doomed. Money is so noble a medium that does not compete with guns and it does not make terms with brutality. It will not permit a country to survive as half-property, half-loot"
Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged.

Leave it to a foreigner, and a woman, to describe the future course of the United States
in a single, cogent paragraph. What an aside piece of irony that Alan Greenspan was
once in her company, embracing her ideas, [and her, literally], a Gold-Bug, of sorts, that
is before he went to the Dark Side of central bankers. They are after your gold, and it is
getting near Crunch Time!

The above prologue may not seem directly related to gold and silver, especially for
those who do not pay attention to what is going on, globally, or fail to see the links
between global events, the United Nations becoming more pervasive, but the struggle
for gold's ownership is critically important to those who want to rule over your life. It
is a form of wealth and independence. The New World Order hates independence.
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http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article38589.html

southerncross · Jan 21, 2013

Just one way a single person of interest can influence not only politicians but public opinion and the MSM all at once without even being associated with the intent or manipulation on the surface. And getting the taxpayer to foot the bill.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO8pFBDSLPI[/youtube]

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