Same Coins but different

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  1. 2e4

    2e4 New Member

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    Hello
    Has anyone come across this before, I purchased two 2015 Kooks from PB and I hope you can see from pics they are different.
    One coin has a much matter background and the Kook is not so highly detailed both reverse sides are identical.
    Not to concerned as to me silver is silver but I am interested in the cause.
    Your Knowledge would be appreciated.

    Many thanks

    Mick.........[​IMG]
     
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    fishtaco Active Member Silver Stacker

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    Geez I had to look at mine! I only collect 1 of each but my 2015 bought from pb is the one on the right with the best detail in the leaves fern and stump, the kook on mine is very shiny so need to hold it at certain light angle to see all the detail.
     
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    Simple toning issue
    Adds a character :)
    Nothing to worry about
     
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    fishtaco Active Member Silver Stacker

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    Also the one on the right (like mine) has feathers sticking out of the head to the left almost horizontal, cant see that on the left pic!

    No way pb would be letting any sort of fake through their hands plus the 2015,s would have been bought mint direct (mine from pb as a pre order), so the race is now on to establish a date of Perth Mint die change! $$$ :)
     
    fishtaco, Aug 22, 2015
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    silversearcher Active Member Silver Stacker

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    MYSTERY SOLVED....Wrong species not wrong die. What you have is a WOODBURRA and KOOKAPECKER...Very rare coins

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    Altima Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Hahhahaha.


    Is it still silver though?
     
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    That is NOT lighting they are very different.
    The biggest difference i am looking at is on the ridge of the beak.
    One is flat and the other has a pronounced bump.
     
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    But to the op they look different side by side and the reason for the thread unless its another ebay fake coin seller testing the product on the knowing?
     
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    Now I really do want a kookapecker but I may have had one all along! :)
     
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    They do look quite different to me and even taking light as an issue that would not explain the hump at the top of the beak.
    Can you see the lil hump im talking about?
     
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    sterling-nz Well-Known Member

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    I am not an artist so excuse the crudeness, but light can not explain this difference on the beak surely.
    [​IMG]
     
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    I think what is affecting our ability to judge is that the two coins are not lined up identically. The coin on the left (as you view them) has the bird sitting straight up so to speak. The second one is leaning back a bit as if reclining. I believe this difference is causing the two to appear more different than they are plus the lighting effect. I have no doubt both coins are legit though based on what I see.

    Just my opinion.

    Jim
     
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    I can see what you are pointing out but my kook is the same as the right pic with the bump at the beak. mine was a pre order in 2014 so the right pic is correct and left pic looks odd at the head/beak not the other way a round. :)
     
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    Using a set square the degree of recline is even more noticeable :) but this still doesnt explain the op question as he is looking at the actual coins side by side,unless of course it is just toning?
     
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    OP said these two Kooks came from PB, so that should rule out any possibility one being a counterfeit. Yet, we have the clear differences of profile bump above beak vs. lack of profile bump, feathers sticking out from back of head vs. no feathers sticking out from back of head and wingtips sticking out beyond body profile vs. wingtips not sticking out beyond body profile. These differences don't appear to be the result of toning or of inadequate photography. They seem to be significant differences between the two coins. I find this unsettling and I think it raises significant questions about 2015 Kooks.

    I hope this turns out to be a simple case of PB unknowingly having taken in and resold a counterfeit. That'd be less unsettling than other possible explanations. I wonder if anybody from PB or the coin side of the PM house might be willing to jump in here and shed some light on this problem...
     
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    The wing in the right pic seemingly not protruding past the body is definitely light/angle. the left part of the stump can look like part of the body depending on how you look at an actual coin so it can look similar to the pic on the right, same could be said for beak bump and rear head feathers but I cant see this happen in my actual coin as I can the wing tip.

    Ahhh a glitch in the MATRIX lol
     
    fishtaco, Aug 22, 2015
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    Jim your link looks suspiciously like the coin on the left.
    Has the op tried running a magnet over the capsule?
    I have been collecting coins for many many many years and i am telling everyone here that thinks they are the same apart from the light THEY ARE WRONG.
    These are clearly 2 different coins and light does not create the bump on the nose or remove feathers where there should be some.
    The feathers on the back of the head are CLEARLY MISSING from the left coin, and the left coin is IDENTICAL to the coin in Jim's link
     
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    Jim4silver, Aug 22, 2015
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    Wow who is Her Maj giving the "evil eye" to in this pic? :cool:
     
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