Interesting item, I think it uses eddy current, but I'm going to fwd it onto my old NDT teacher and see what he says. Good for coins, but not so good for bars being 2mm depth. Yeah definitely. That's why I said it. XRF only pickup on near surface metal, mostly <1mm. Definitely not a full proof method on its own, even for coin thickness.
I am confused, please help. The fake round is on the verifier?? Does it say 99.9%? No bar in the box below. Is that how a fake is detected?
I have had several trades with OTIS by the way. Did phone calls and numerous texts / emails. I would be surprised if he would knowingly do this.
Is the PMV 100% reliable? We don't want to tarnish someone's name by mistake. I would do other test like accurately measure the weight and dimensions, and try the sliding rare earth magnet down a slope. you can also get an approximate density by weighing in air and water. Maybe you could take it to a dealer to check?
To be fair to the guy who sold he probably did not know but he should have replied to the messages and resolved the problem.
Regardless Of this members past dealings he needs to make good on this deal. xrf whatever this verifier looks extremely accurate and reliable to me. excuses aren't going to get Monopolize his hard earned cash back either. One of the reasons Im here is to possibly trade buy and sell in the future I wouldn't make excuses for myself and don't want to see them for other's real men handle their business punks run. graydragon
A few sound like they want to excuse on the basis that he might not have previously known the coins were fake. If you sell something to someone on a good faith basis (i.e. sight unseen and going by seller's description) and the item turns out to be bad you have to make full restitution; otherwise it is fraud. It might not have begun as fraud, we can't know, but it becomes fraud when you keep the money after it has been shown that the goods were fake.
I think that the arrow indicates that the result is far outside what would be expected for a 99.9% silver (inside the bracketed area), which means it is fake.
monopolize, have you sent OTIS an email or PM to let him know that you started this thread? That way he has the chance to explain himself to you and all here. If you have and he still does not respond eventually, that non-action pretty much says it all in my opinion.
Metal Verifier If the bar is between the brackets its genuine. Sometimes with small or irregular surfaces the bar may be just outside the brackets and that is fine still real. When there is an arrow pointing out left or right - its a fake. The unit comes with a small probe which helps with these small items. With that reading those rounds are fakes
Does this device recognise each and every coin placed on it. Or is it programmed only to recognise coins from its own database?
This is one of the reasons I like to confirm and verify if the seller is in a "business" and always request a receipt for goods purchased. There are two sides to this and if the seller didnt know the alledged product was fake you would expect that they could promptly respond with who they purchased it from? Dont forget even the dealers get burnt on occasion. I hope this is transparently resolved. I believe GP has had success in the past but unfortunately I never did hear the full story. cheer$
Sad that stuff like this is happening within the Silver Stacker community. monopolize. Have the rounds verified by an expert that they are fake. Then advise the seller, giving them a time frame to respond. If the seller does not respond ........ Take the matter up with police fraud squad in your area. I know I would. Good luck.
Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I have advised him previously that I would bring this to the attention of the forum if there was no resolution, to which he never responded. I will pm/email him this thread but I'm not betting that he'll respond to this either. Reporting it to the police never crossed my mind actually, so thanks for bringing that up.
In light of what we know from this thread, I would highly recommend that anyone who has bought rounds or generic bars from the mentioned seller have them checked, & reported to the Authorities/Fraud Squad, if verified fake. This crap needs to be stamped out. & we need to do it now. Here's hoping it is just an isolated incident.
