PMGOLD - Pros and cons of trading this product!

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  1. Aurora et luna

    Aurora et luna Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Guys, if anyone is currently invested in this product, I would appreciate some feedback about the pros and cons of trading it!
     
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    Liquidity can be a bit crap, leaving you with a wide buy / sell spread.

    Also, there is counterparty risk. As an SS regular I don't need to remind you - If you don't hold it, you don't own it :)

    This is a good video to watch. The GOLD ETF in the US has a different counterparty but you'll get the idea :-

     
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    Fees are okay at 0.15% annually. The advantages over physical are:
    • It's easy to trade and very similar to trading shares, and can be done in a few minutes
    • You can buy and sell from anywhere and you don't have to physically collect it.
    • You don't need to worry about storage or security cost.
    The disadvantages are:
    • Not sure of the counterparty risk as PMGOLD claim they keep the physical gold equivalent to what's held by investors.
    • The market can be a bit thin, but there always seems to be a market, so I guess you could get $1M of gold in a few minutes.
    • You can't touch it, so no good for those who just like to hold their gold.
     
  4. bron.suchecki

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    PMGOLD is basically Perth Mint's unallocated in an ETF form, if you don't like unallocated then you wouldn't like PMGOLD. While it has a market maker to ensure a fair bid and ask, the spread they work on is wider than that for GOLD, but GOLD has a 0.40% management fee. If you are a short-term trader, GOLD would be better as spreads matter more than management fees.

    However, IMO I don't get the benefit of ETFs over a direct account with ABC Bullion or Perth Mint for the following reasons:
    • direct relationship, no stock exchange or broker involved, if you are worried about financial system troubles you want to minimise counterparties involved
    • if you are OK with unallocated, why pay 0.15% when a direct unallocated account is 0%
    • can hold allocated bars, or quicker to switch to physical if you're holding unallocated
    • not locked into ASX trading hours only, most gold action happens in UK/US hours, with ETFs you miss opportunity to trade on spikes or dumps
    When I worked on PMGOLD 15 years ago online trading was not available or easy so there was a market for it. That has changed so I don't see the point of gold ETFs beyond the convenience of trading it through your existing stock trading account (but then you are paying 0.15% pa for that convenience) or if you can't justify a SMSF and so can only invest in ASX listed products in your super account.
     
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    ASX trading hours (10.00am to 4.00pm Eastern Time) are different from Perth Mint due to time zones. Anyone know if ABC allow trading out of normal business hours?
     
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    ABC Bullion's online account is open 24/7 and you can trade up to $100,000 per order.
     

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