Not happy, Err.. :l

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  1. Leo

    Leo New Member

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    Firstly I bought this Lunar dragon from Bullion Bourse and I only noticed now this dark, redish mark on the top of the coin, I didn't open it prior to taking these photos, I know you're not supposed to clean numismatics so what do I do? what is this mark? I've only had this coin for a week. Will Bullion Bourse exchange this coin? does anyone have any returning experiences with them?

    NOTE the mark is under the 'USRT'

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    Secondly, Mighty fine work from the mulligan mint.. These are obviously milk spots right? so how do I clean the fuckers. Also note this is how I bought the coin of BB. Any advice guys?

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  2. spannermonkey

    spannermonkey Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    :rolleyes:
    Really , come on
    Why didn't you send BB an email first ;)
    And your links don't work either
     
  3. Leo

    Leo New Member

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    Ya.. I noticed.

    Do they work now? And I did send them an email. why not do that and post on here XD
     
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    spannermonkey Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Yes
    Now read the rest of my post ;)
     
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    alexisio New Member Silver Stacker

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    Maybe just maybe , he's pissed off.
     
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    A little, any advice?
     
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    alexisio New Member Silver Stacker

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    Call BB, Emails , May help , be patient grasshopper!
     
  8. spannermonkey

    spannermonkey Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Did you get a response from BB

    Don't clean them
    Don't clean them
    Don't clean them

    You lost me when you took it out of the capsule , sorry
     
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    boston Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    We are all different in how we respond to situations, that are less than our liking. How many coins are involved here?

    Personally, I would chalk it up to experience. After all, things do happen regardless of intent.
     
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    Well how else was I meant to take photographs of the mark seeing as it was not noticable.
     
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    Just the the dragon and the slave queens, I'm not to fussed about the Slave queens since they have a history of poor quality from the MM, Just wanting advice if they can be cleaned somehow.

    However the mark on the dragon baffles me.
     
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    boston Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    DO NOT clean them. Just leave it as is.
     
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    Leo New Member

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    Yes yes yes, I know. But what the hell is that mark.. :l
     
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    spannermonkey Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Some Dragons did have toning on them when releases
    It's the same toning as early Kooks get , sometime achieved by the way they are stored
    Basically it's natural silver toning
     
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    Looks like some slight toning

    A 1oz dragon sold now by BB would not be coming direct from the mint - it would be a buyback
    they can't control what the previous owner might have done with it before selling it to them

    I would guess they would replace it
    I personally wouldn't consider the hassle of posting it back etc. worth it - but up to you
    I know some people are really picky about the condition of their bullion coins
     
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    Would you guys think that it would reduce the value of the coin significantly?
     
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    rbaggio Active Member Silver Stacker

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    My bloody fat fingers on this iphone hit Thanks instead of Reply.

    On a proof, maybe.
    On your BU, no.
     
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    Leo, sorry for hijacking your thread but I have somehow relevant question

    guys, how do you like toning of this coin? (mintage for this is one of the lowest)
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    Leo, if you didn't get a response from BB after two or so of business days, you are justified in being upset. I don't care how busy they claim to be, they need to respond to customers within a couple of days.

    As for the toning, it probably will affect the value, but not by much. If the toning on dragon is tarnish and it truly bothers you, you can find videos on YouTube which shows ways of cleaning it that will not damage that coin. As for milk spots (if in deed that's what it is on the Slave Queen), those are virtually impossible to get out without some rubbing on the surface of the coin which likely will be noticeable. A proof finish on a coin will show tarnish removal / cleaning efforts much easier than an ordinary bullion finish.

    I believe plenty of people either clean tarnished coins or have them professionally cleaned. I generally follow the collector's rule to not clean coins myself, but there certainly are exceptions to every rule in my view.


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  20. goldpelican

    goldpelican Administrator Staff Member

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    The mark shown on that coin is common on BU Lunar Dragons. I've had entire rolls affected - it almost looks like a brown water stain. They came like this from The Perth Mint - they are minted as bullion coins, even though they attract numismatic premiums due to selling out, and whatever they were doing in late 2011 when these coins were struck, a LOT of coins slipped out of the mint affected by this problem. I had some where about 40% of the surface area of the coin was affected, others where it was barely a sliver along the edge.

    Unsure of the reason behind it, but I've opened boxes of 1oz Dragons when they were only weeks old and seen these marks. Have never seen it on another size or another design - just 1oz Dragons.

    It's a known problem with these coins - unless it was bought as a graded coin, it's just how many of the Dragons are.
     

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