Morningstar Financial / Market Guru reckons Gold is to fall further

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  1. Photonaware

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    According to a columnist of Morningstar, gold has further to fall from its current lows and is not seen as a good investment.
    This causes great concern because all the fundamentals over the past few years recommending gold as a safe, solid investment / insurance etc have not really changed.
    Difficult to know what do do nowadays - hold or buy more ?
    Definitely not sell as losses are temporary I assume .... BUT .... which crystal ball to gaze into !

    Here's the link - http://www.morningstar.co.uk/uk/news/119730/sector-outlook-retailers-banking-housebuilders-gold.aspx
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    I think I'll keep stacking thanks...err...gold and guns!
     
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    So what have reason and logic have to do with the
    Financial market these days.
    The stock market rose sharply last year! !

    Gold is the enemy of all those who manipulate value.
    I.e currency.
    They will do anything they can to prevent its use as a alternative.
     
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    And despite all that gold has fallen off a cliff in 2013.
     
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    Buying Gold or PM's in general is not the problem, in the long run you will perhaps triple or more your gains(4-7years). Your problem will be what will the cash strapped government do with your stash?
     
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    Perhaps indeed. Let's hope so!
     
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    There'll be a windfall tax on it when you sell - that'd be much cheaper to implement than an outright confiscation and it can cover offshore holdings just by saying it does. James Rickard guesses a 90% margin tax, which would be a real downer.

    We'll see.
     
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    Would it matter if I'm collecting only semi-numis like pandas?

    They're rather independent from spot price. :)
     
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    Yeah, this is a pretty good approach I reckon, although we will see how this fares for pandas post 2011, after the production was ramped up. Still, when spot moves from $40 to $25, all things metal get dragged along more or less, but I certainly agree this is a good approach.
    The major issue for this - as a life long stacking savings approach - would be the practicalities (and risks!!) around storage, unless stacking gold.
     
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    My approach would be pandas (silver/gold) close to spot price. :)
     
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    As far as I can tell is the stock market, RE, finances from banks ie mortgages and rates AND pm's are ALL being manipulated to keep the USD 'Numero Uno'!
     
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    I can see this happening only if 'everybody' is buying or has bought. Statistically speaking almost no one owns Gold of any real amount so I don't see the Government going after the Gold hoarders. They might increase in Australia the capital gains amount payable although 90% would be too excessive. That's the question though, who knows.
     
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    Wouldn't you already have set aside an emergency fund?

    I feel you should only spend part of your disposable income on PMs, and not your entire savings.
     

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