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  1. bubblebobble2

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    Some purchase mate! only @Oddjob can move spot prices down with ONE purchase.
     
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    I just said fuckit and bought more platy kooks
     
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    JohnnyBravo300 Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I've been mulling over buying a couple platinum ounces. Seems it's pretty cheap right now eh.
     
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    heartastack Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    just a change to be honest.. stacking fatigue has been setting in of late
     
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  6. JohnnyBravo300

    JohnnyBravo300 Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Stacking fatigue is a new one to me! Haha sounds like it could be TERMINAL!
     
  7. JohnnyBravo300

    JohnnyBravo300 Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Big $$bags heartastack I knew it. Out there buying up all the kilos and 100 ozers.

    It probably would get boring with all that cash to play with.
     
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    heartastack Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Hah! Nah I’m back on the meat market and tail costs money. It’s a hot market right now too, maybe you could pass on some of your blue pills yakka as you clearly aren’t using them. I’m not the one out here selling my sovs for adult diapers.
     
  9. Azure

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    TBH if physical palladium were more available / traded / or spreads were not so bad.. id probably consider this a sign:

    upload_2023-8-18_22-3-20.png

    likewise silver looking like people are going short hard against the trend...
    upload_2023-8-18_22-4-18.png
    IMO somethings gonna give here in a squeeze...

    all that money short across the board on metals.. wonder what they have up their sleave to buy back with besides a printing press...
    or... a printing press will do...

    and platinum is just as suspicious.

    https://ycharts.com/indicators/nymex_platinum_futures_managed_money_short_positions
    https://www.kitco.com/Platinum-price-today-USA/
    daily chart can do it.
    upload_2023-8-18_22-10-52.png
    imo. this is a Head and shoulders pattern forming directly related to open short positions.
    they are "drawing" the relative chat pattern in attempt to trigger pattern recognition (prob targeting AI and strategic stop loss levels)

    problem is.. if they cant hold the shorts (and some people will cover while others lose....)

    i cant see a short covering scenario in there that doesn't result in a price rise.
     
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    Even the chart patterns are only in play until they aren't haha. It's happening alot these days in clown world but it sure it crazy to watch.

    i just ordered a bunch of Mexican silver and some old 8 Reales last night but if spot gets crushed I'll buy more.
    We've already had the triple top in gold so the 4th should be the breakout.
     
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    hardyakkagold Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Managed to find a pic of heartastack (right ) with shiney...

    I guess some people are just not built for stacking anything heavier than cryptos, no wonder fatigue is experienced.

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    heartastack Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Didn’t see your contribution to the donation hat. ‘Mr. Brown’ was still available, ya freeloader with fat stacks, great look too.
     
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    Bouncing off support it's make or break time right now.
    If this level fails then its back to the drawing board for the PMs and I'd officially be depressed.
    Might even shave my eyebrows off.
     
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    did a bit more DYODD and composited the graphs for each major metal:
    charts.jpg
    purple number at top is the is the total combined open interest

    Some of the charts (Like gold) where the green floor is floating higher is due to the last 5 years levels not coming anywhere close to the 0 level...
    ive had to manually scale the graphics in the overlays also so that the relative volumes of short and long were properly represented.

    IMO. the open Shorts for palladium being so high might be due to the forecast of a .2Moz deficits in palladium this year but the expectation that next year will have a 0.3Moz surplus....
    https://www.reuters.com/markets/com...arket-swing-surplus-2024-nornickel-2023-05-31

    the switching of palladium out for platinum in future Catalytic designs expecting to be an ongoing trend... as well as EV takeover from combustion globally.
    if that pans out, then the short holders are speculating on selling NOW to buy back when the surplus hits... buffering that interim period.
    they cant EXIT the position without buying BACK though.

    the problem is volume.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/platinum-palladium-metals-focus-idUSKBN2X610Z

    ANNUAL PALLADIUM SUPPLY/DEMAND (‘000 oz)*
    2022 - 2023F - %change

    SUPPLY
    Mine Production 6,487 6,252 -4%
    Scrap 2,793 2,775 -1%

    TOTAL SUPPLY 9,280 9,027 -3%
    DEMAND
    Autocatalyst 8,061 8,091 0%
    Jewellery 224 225 0%
    Industrial 1,524 1,418 -7%
    Retail investment 18 1 -93%

    TOTAL DEMAND 9,826 9,735 -1%
    Physical Surplus/Deficit -547 -707

    Above-Ground Stocks
    2022 - 2023F - %change
    12,345 - 11,637 -6%

    0.3Mox is.. 300 in the above ground stocks total figure.
    total above ground stocks then, are thus in the range of 1 years of Mine + recycling supply.
    ???? What happens if people DONT buy new cars and recycle Cats from the old ones produced in the last 7 years? (scrap figures)
    Im assuming that the recycling has to actually COME. from somewhere...

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    those nymex contracts are 100oz.. comprising ~1,210 Moz of shorts. (10% of all above ground palladium or ~20% of Mine production)
    i wonder if that can really grow and be sustained over a year or 2 without something happening in Russia or Africa like power outages in El Nino that impact production.
    sure, we all buy new electric cars and dont need to make any more carbon based ones right....
    estimates are 40-50% of new car sales as electric by 2030
    https://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/volume...uture-the-transition-to-electric-vehicles.htm

    That would half the demand alone, not taking into account the composition changeup of the converters themselves..
    question is... at what price point do people consider a PM worthless? or.. exit a position to seek gains elsewhere?,
    especially one that still has use for hydrogen storage and electrical use?

    The shorts there represent 60% of the open interest also.
     
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    A good read but if you’re doing that much DD it’d be good to know what specific plays you had in mind
     
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    JohnnyBravo300 Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    They should allow trading on the weekends. It's so dang boring and I'm stuck in Telluride working.
    The shineys need to hold!
     
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    JohnnyBravo300 Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I don't think it will go below $22.
     
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    is this a bet?!
     
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    Are we betting eyebrows?
     
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    JohnnyBravo300 Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I have some kitty at home but not with me. I'm in Telluride working and enjoying the views.

    How bouts that Silva? Whoohoo

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