how to vote in the upcoming election .

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  1. renovator

    renovator Well-Known Member

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    obviously not or only if its done your way 100% as you think it should be .I certainly dont agree with half the shit on their site but theres enough there to tell me they care about our country & are trying to do the best thing for it , even though is misguided socialist stuff . As i mentioned before the weird stuff will never float in the senate so why be worried over their wild aspirations .
    nothing is perfect . Be part of the solution you old fart not part of the apathetic problem . This is why things dont change because of old people like you (did i say old again ) scared of the new frontier of politics . Step outside grandad & look around its not 1970 anymore .(did i just make another old insinuation ?) The funny thing is we are around the same age but my mind isnt a closed book .
    I dont have preconceptions of a perfect political party there is none . its a case of the lesser evil or even the hint of liking our country . pauline hanson didnt get in last time for nothing .(goes to show the power of our vote when an uneducated fish & chip shop owner gets in because her heart is in the right place ) im not embarrassed to say i voted for her & derryn hinch(hes a dud & wont get my vote again) & other independents last election . il be voting for australia first party too this time because they give a shit . Id bet the sheep station they get a seat this time .
    Want to tell the world who you'll be voting for grandpa ?
     
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    systematic Well-Known Member

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    When people speak with their votes what they are saying is i don't want to deal with it ....
     
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    "They got it wrong: instead of voting 1, 2, 3 and 4, for the house of reps, it should have been: 1, 2, 3 and 3. This is a legal vote and the first 2 candidates get your vote and the last 2 get nothing. You can even vote" 1, 2, 2 and 2, and you only vote for the single candidate and other votes don't count. Only minor parties and independents get my vote these days."
    The Lefties would say that everyone should get a MEDAL (VOTE). Except TRUMP VOTERS.

    LOCK HER UP.
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    @renovator, you’re so open minded your brains have fallen out.

    I think my Federal electorate is marginal, so if I do vote I’ll probably go with the Libs in the the HOR. In the Senate the only party that stands for liberty is the LDP.

    Then again there’s always dick and balls. If I do that I might draw yours. Plenty of room in one of those little boxes on the ballot paper for a lifelike representation of yours. :p
     
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  5. JulieW

    JulieW Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Here's another mob just landed on my Fbook feed. Seems Fbook is getting lots of election dollars. Anyway, at first glance the party platform seems reasonable. I like the idea of paying a bit of attention to the issue of population. Not "who" but "how many".

    https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/policies

    An independent community party from the sensible centre, we have a positive plan to secure an economically, environmentally and socially sustainable Australia. To meet our aims, we have developed a comprehensive policy platform, including four major policy priorities:

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    Yep SA are getting my vote. There policies seem reasonable and centre and they seem to be saying what a lot of people are feeling. Ironically Dick Smith who I have immense respect for joined them which drew my attention to them. In the interest of full disclosure I joined them a few years ago in the hope they can make a difference for this country as it has been hijacked by a bunch of stupidly elected self interested parasites who have pillaged the middle class to death. https://www.facebook.com/VoteSustai...-after-watching-our-new-sic/1619331448118724/
     
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    Oddjob Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Me thinks the AEC is going to have it's work cut out for them this election re Senate voting. There's a lot of noise / serious talk not just here on SS but from the people I speak to be them family, friends or other that they are voting for the minor parties this time around as they are disillusioned with the two majors.

    Whilst some of those votes will roll up into the majors, it may well take a lot more preference counting rounds to finalise the senate results this year.
     
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    JulieW Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Well after a good read, they tick my boxes.

    I've been hoping for some policy action on the Murray-Darling fiasco, among other looming environmental disasters, and Sustainable Australia seems to tick those boxes.

    All the future issues, and issues of current importance seem to me to begin with pollution and environment. All the rest of the issues just look like self-interest or greed. Policies with an objective beyond the next election are good to see.
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Sustainable Australia have been around for a while. Economically and politically they're essentially socialists. In many respects they're no different from the host of other national-socialist parties out there including Katter/Hanson/Palmer ie stop selling domestic assets to foreigners, reduce immigration, address taxation loopholes etc but they have a few lefty policies in the mix as well such as increase arts funding, raise the barriers of entry to land developers, lower housing costs, and a few environmental policies designed to save the planet from ourselves.

    Sustainability is about utilising technology and capital goods in an increasingly efficient manner so as to drive down prices and reduce waste. In order to do this business models need to be based upon free-market principles, whether it's water infrastructure, housing or immigration. This means governance must not be hindered by political motives and enhancing value must be recognised as the prime motive for service delivery.

    SA's agenda is to use the power of the State to ram home their own values at the expense of others.
     
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    Speaking to a new client that was rubbing their hands together at the prospect Labor might come through this time as it would pretty much guarantee their business would double.
    Obviously curious I had to ask what business they were in and the answer sent a shiver through me.......Insolvency.
     
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    Id say SA do have some socialist views that vastly differ from the left and right but show me the party who is proposing genuine growth and gains through efficiency and I might look at them as well. Australia's present ponzi housing/population growth is the same blunt instrument being used through out the world to seek out growth. Libs and Labor will almost certainly continue to use to use it to try to demonstrate growth but at the expense of lifestyle and failing infrastructure. Overpopulation gives with one hand and takes with the other and this government is hooked on the drug. They have no solution. They sell what we have in resources to migrants, rather than digging it up we simply import the buyers. Unfortunately Australia has been sliding down the worlds slippery slope of insignificance for decades, resources in all forms has kept us alive. 500 million wealthy and educated Chinese within just two decades has left many countries including us without direction, we are now just selling the farm. I didnt like Keating's arrogance but looking back he was the last true visionary leader we had.
     
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    Probably the LDP.

    The other issues you have identified (if they are in fact issues at all) are best dealt with by a free-market and a legal system that upholds the rights of individuals.
     
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    Price discovery?? Im afraid its gone the way of the dodo. Anything that exhibits the qualities of operating like a free market gets controlled, regulated then taxed and even though Im not a fanboy of Bitcoin, it or one of its hybrids is destined to become a victim.
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Hence why I wouldn’t vote for a party that advocates regulating the sale of private property or wants to give away more of other people’s money to artists, just to give two examples.
     
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    Nice to see a discussion on aussie politics instead of trump & americas woes :) we have enough of our own to discuss ..
    shiney youre not funny ! ;) the libs? oh come on man you have to be joking .You have no conscience voting for the same shit parties again.im sure theres another independent you can find that aligns with your archaic views somewhere lol
    i hope you live long enough explain to your grandkids that you helped ruin our country .
    As an observation old shiney it seems you are looking for utopia with your free markets & the other pie in the sky dreams . mate hasnt anyone told you it doesnt exist ? & will never exist in our lifetime you have to start somewhere on that road though & it certainly isnt going down that road by voting for any of the the big parties . When the people speak things happen . If you really cared you would vote for a party that has mandate by referendum or a party that wants to get rid of the 2 party preferred shit system that would seem more libertarian that voting for the libs .
     
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    Archaic hey? Wow! I’m impressed. And here’s me thinking the only thing you’ve learned in the last 10 years is what you’ve managed to pick up in the bars in Manila.

    In my electorate there is a Liberal candidate, a socialist from the Labor Party, a Greens nutter, 1 independent who used to be a builder and we both know that between the ears of a builder is a cavity and every national-socialist party you can care to name (Palmer, Katter, Hanson and Anning and even one from the DLP :eek: ).

    I’ll be voting for the Libs as out of all of them they are the most free-market. There are some good minds on their back bench. Palmer will most likely get my 2nd vote.

    None of the candidates fit your fantasy. None of them fit mine either, that’s why I’m reserving my right to pictorially represent your micro-junk in one of the boxes.
     
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    I could imagine voting Liberal to hasten the revolution, but otherwise, not.
     
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    ^ Nil logical reasoning used in the creation of this statement.
    In the last 40 years every time Labor gets in the numpties run the countries economics into the ground....do you like bending over and using gravel for lube @JulieW ?
     
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    So this looks like the LDP policies.

    https://www.ldp.org.au/policy

    Haven't convinced me. The only issue that matters to me is environment and I don't see the argument that government exiting environmental control and policing will improve things. The corruption evident between the LNP and the Big Water stealers is a natural result of faith in corporations not sending their shit downstream.

    This sort of thing is just irresponsible and criminal:

    The Liberal Democrats believe that restricting greenhouse gas emissions in Australia in the absence of similar policies by the world’s major emitters is harmful to the economy and of negligible environmental benefit. And the Liberal Democrats believe that the federal government has no role in taxing mineral resources.​
     
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    It maybe some 45 years old (the below clip) but the theme resonates today ie. clarity then anger to act. Each in our own way and time, have come to the conclusion that the major parties don't really care about the population / national interests and have been selling us out gradually (on both sides) since WWII.

    Politicians hope that the general population of Australia (and other countries too for that matter) will be the fabled "frog in the pot" with the temperature being slowly turned up year by year till we boil alive.....and in our dying breath say "what just happened?".

    If the wider public don't pull their head out of their bum and wake up, then they deserve what they get and by default we cop the same.

    Those who have woken up are now angry, as am I...To all others who haven't, it's time to get mad and make sure your vote come 18 May doesn't allow the major parties to carry on unchecked. We are spoiled for choose when it comes to minor parties that hold nationalist views counter to that of the major parties....

    Now Peter Finch....what have you got to say.....

     
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