"How economic modelling is used to circumvent democracy..."

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  1. hennypenny

    hennypenny New Member

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    Clawhammer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I'm not reading all that without a synopsis..... and a beer
     
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    mmm....shiney! Administrator Staff Member Silver Stacker

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    Should be a law against quoting that idiot.

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    mmm....shiney! Administrator Staff Member Silver Stacker

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    I'll give you a synopsis but you can buy your own fkn beer. ;)

    "Take from the producers and give to the leeches."
     
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    Just read that bit and consider where you stand in their plans insect.
     
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    Shaddam IV Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Something about how climate modelling is used to circumvent reality.
     
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    Shaddam IV Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I read that and consider that it is unverified hearsay. Got a link to the original document?
     
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    First port of call.

    There is a thing called Google which is available to all. It points to sites of interest.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summers_memo

    But don't bother. Wikipedia is notoriously edited to suit particular voices, though the authors saying that they were being 'sarcastic' might be a case if you can be bothered.

    p.s you did notice that this was from the Chief Economist of the World Bank - a notably misanthropic organisation that has corrupted and degraded scores of countries in South America, Africa, Asia and Europe.

    It's these people:

    But you may be able to refute that using Google.
     
  9. JulieW

    JulieW Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    And here's some more unsubstantiated information about the IMF and the World Bank - the place where an economist can suggest poisoning Africa because the costs work out quite well.

    As you may have gathered I despise these people as mass murderers and the psychopaths that will kill the planet after enslaving its remaining inhabitants.
     
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    Synopsis:
    It is a repetition of hundreds of previous economists who have explained that economics does not make value judgements. For example, summarising the conclusion to Murray Rothbard's (1970) "Power and Market":
     
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    Clawhammer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    geezus...and it took 12 scrolling pages of text to tell us that?
    Can't wait for the next tombe... 'teaching granny to suck eggs"
     
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    bordsilver Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Umm, we do have some of the world's best health, education and public transport systems. :rolleyes:

    This is an utter lie. It was never a fight about the "economic modelling" it was a fight for people's rights under NSW law.

    Do people value the lives of an ISIL terrorist, Adrian Bailey, Charles Manson, Ivan Milat etc the same as Tom Hanks, Bill Gates, John Lennon or their mother? What about valuing your own mother versus mine? Valuing other people's lives (and your own) can be done in a variety of ways and from the perspective of compensating victims of crime or other people's actions has a valid place in most people's ethical worldview. That a dispassionate, value-free economist can also apply the same valuation methods to other people is only logical. Whether anyone should perpetrate a crime based on such information is a question outside of the realm of economics. Trying to conflate the two completely different spheres of human action for the purpose of slandering economics is intellectually dishonest from someone who calls themselves an economist.

    [Aside: Ironically, for someone who claims to care so much about the morality of things, Richard is a strong promoter of Legal positivism (where it is power alone that creates law) instead of natural law. The consequence is that morality is completely separated from the law and that a person's actions are judged as lawful or unlawful, criminal or non-criminal, depending not only on the nature of the action, but on the person's relationship to the state. It means that the dispute becomes more about the words in a statute. The question of what is right or wrong, just or unjust, is irrelevant and out of place. The only question is what has been written. It also allows different actions for different people.]
     
  13. JulieW

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    I haven't noticed the world's best public transport systems. Which suburb is it in?
     
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    ^ oxymoron ;)
     

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