Hand pours

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  1. Levant

    Levant New Member

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    Can anyone (especially humbolt) explain why some bars are marked 925 1oz (which I know is sterling) and others are marked 585 1ozt, but they appear to be the same size?
    Surely if one is half the purity of the other it should be twice the size to contain a full troy ounce of silver?

    They are certainly nice looking shiny bars.
     
  2. Sa_bogan

    Sa_bogan Active Member Silver Stacker

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    Ill be buying a mapp torch this week and try and pour on the weekend
     
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    So the silver content of the 585 bars are .585 oz of silver and the 925 bars contain .925 oz of silver and the total weight of the bar is 1 oz?
     
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    FTFY

    So the silver content of the 585 bars are .585 oz of GOLD and the 925 bars contain .925 oz of silver and the total weight of the bar is 1 oz?
     
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    Big A.D. Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I think the question is: is that 1oz of pure silver/gold?

    i.e. is the spot value of one of those 1oz bars equal to the spot price shown on the graphs at the top of the page?
     
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    Sa_bogan Active Member Silver Stacker

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    Correct me if I'm wrong but the .585 and .925 is the percentage of silver or gold in the item, so 92.5% is silver and the rest is made up of other alloys. Same with the 58.5% is gold and the rest is other metals. 1oz refers to the total weight of the bar regardless of the percentage of silver or gold to alloy ratio
     
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    Boyo Active Member Silver Stacker

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    There seems to be some confusion over the actual weight of Precious metal content in each bar ,,be they Ag or Au

    kapiche?
     
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    Sa_bogan Active Member Silver Stacker

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    I understand how it works, people are asking for clarification
     
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    Boyo Active Member Silver Stacker

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    Sorry ,my post was hastily conceived.
    I think we need humbolt on the line to clarify and edify. :)
     
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    Boyo Active Member Silver Stacker

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    Ok ,thanks for the email ,humbolt
    The Au is 14 karat and the Ag is Sterling. Thanks
     
  12. Levant

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    As compared to humbolt's (now clear) system, large scale makers normally make their product weight more than an ounce so that the total metal content in a bar/coin is one troy ounce, regardless of the purity...

    Example - krugerrands. 22k gold, one troy ounce of gold per coin, therefore coin must weigh a bit more than an ounce...
     
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    Humbolt .. i dont think they were having a dig there mate
     
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    Sa_bogan Active Member Silver Stacker

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    I have my first pour today but it didn't come out 100% as I need to practice. I'll be uploading tonight as I'm going to make another attempt so wish me luck!
     
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    Look forward to seeing the results Sa_bogan.
     
  16. Sa_bogan

    Sa_bogan Active Member Silver Stacker

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    Here I have a mold I had made with my own logo inscribed
    This was the first pour that I poured a little to slowly
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    Then I gave it another shot and added more than one oz in the crucible, turned out ok but just over weight
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    Then the 3rd and 4th pour were way over because I wanted to make sure it filled the mold and came out in bar form
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    All three here front and back. Do you guys think I should try to sand e borax off the backs? I only ask is I was able to get some ripple effect and I know it would sand away
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    I have other molds but I'm waiting to get my steel letter punch set in the mail this week

    Anyone interested in my design? PM are my initials and the b is for bullion

    Click the last photo for larger images
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    Very nice, well done, keep practising...
     
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    Sa_bogan Active Member Silver Stacker

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    Cheers, hopefully I will have more silver to melt this week. Anyone wish to trade at all? I'll be removing the borax from the bottoms.

    Also did any one want me to make a video? I'm not a pro but it might help if your not sure how to go about it.
     
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    SA_bogan, I would love a video, I have all the pieces somewhat . . . just haven't started yet. I haven't found a good stamp yet and sourcing to have one made they quoted like $150 . . soooo it might be a bit before I start.
     
  20. Emanance

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    Tough looking bars. Shame the photos aren't bigger. I'm guessing you are using graphite molds with you logo debossed across the bottom. I saw in a youtube video of some guys doing a pour. They had lined the silicate crucible in borax I think so the silver would all run out of it when it was tipped, like water off a ducks back :). Also they used the oxy torch they where using to melt the silver to also heat up the mold itself so all the melted silver would have the time to seep into every nook and cranny of the mold before solidifying. I imagine putting too much heat onto the molds couldn't be good for them. Probably reduce their life expectancy quite a bit.
    Thanks for posting Sa_bogan :D.
     

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