Buying advice for a special item

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  1. mr-dead

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    I expect the 150proof to be at least 8K5 Euro. Your estimated budget is not enough.

    The medal I don't know and can't tell something about it. It looks nice though.
     
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    Some sparrows from the roof chirped to my ear the 150gr will be 47% over spot. :)
     
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    found a seller in Germany doing it for 6568 so a little over but I could stretch to it
     
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    If I were choosing I'd definitely choose the medal for these reasons.

    1) Mintage of only 19!

    2) Excellent design

    3) I don't need any other reasons than the first two ;)



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    I know which shop u mean. The prices are not fixed by china mint yet according to my informations. I think I will go for two proof 50s as soon ordering is open/the premium is right according to my informants.

    The 150gr is nice very nice though and something very special.
     
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    For 7 K there is a mintage 1000 panda with 5oz available to my knowledge at the moment ^^
    Maybe consider that.
     
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    Sent u a pm :)
     
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    Having a browse as we speak, thanks :)
     
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    No problem, some of the stuff there is well above our limits but I got some minor pandas there and everything 100% to my satisfaction.
     
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    Sorry but the answer is more involved. It depends on how much experience you have in collection and what you already have. It also depends on if you ever plan to sell the item. It may take several years for the numismatic premium to become tolerable for a new buyer to take it off your hands. If buying any of these two items it should be because you like it a LOT and will enjoy looking at it for a long time to come. They are both collector items. However, there is a chance that one or both may appreciate in price in the long term but that is not guaranteed. Good luck and best of wishes.
     
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    getting some proofs will become very hard in 2016. international distribution numbers of these coin is very low to nothing for the moment. maybe in the comming month. i got a few refuses from my channels for the 50gr recently. 47% premium would be to good to be true.
    did not even see a 50/100gr Au on ebay
     
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    Got a fair sized stack to date -

    1/4 2013 Canadian Maple
    1/4 2014 Chinese Panda
    1/10 2013 Australian Kangaroo
    1/20 2013 Year of the snake
    1/4 2013 Krugerrand
    1/4 2013 Philharmonica
    1/4 Gold eagle 2005
    1/2 of Proof Angel 1984
    1/4 Britannia 1987
    1/10 Lunar Dragon 2012
    1/10 Lunar Horse 2014
    1/10 Lunar Rabbit 2011
    1/4 2009 Chinese Panda
    1/10 Lunar Mouse 2008
    1/10 Lunar Tiger 2010
    1/10 2005 Chinese Panda (mint sealed)
    1/10 2005 Chinese Panda (mint sealed)
    1/10 2005 Chinese Panda (mint sealed)
    1/10 2005 Chinese Panda (mint sealed)
    1/10 Lunar Snake 2013
    1/10 Lunar Ox 2009
    1986 Panda 5 coin set
    1 X 10g Perth Mint Oriana bar
    15 X 10g Perth Mint Oriana bar
    Quintuple sovereign 1980
    2005 Panda 1oz
    1oz Isle of Man Angel 1986
    Mexican 50 Peso 1946
    1986 USA Eagle
    2014 USA Buffalo
    1974 Full Sovereign
    1981 Full Sovereign
    100g Cast Metalor Bar 962951
    100g Cast Metalor Bar 969610
    Quintuple sovereign 1981
    20 Peso 1959
    4 Ducat 1915
    1/4 1990 Chinese Panda
    2012 1oz Britannia
    2013 Sovereign
    2013 Sovereign
    1/10 2015 Lunar Goat
    Full Sovereign 1919
    1/2 Sovereign 2011
    1/2 oz Pamp Suisse Pendant Gold bar
    1/10 Britannia 1987
    20 Francs - French 1855
    Full Sovereign - 1858 Shield Back
    1/2 Sovereign 1914
    2.5g Pamp Suisse pendant
    1894 full sovereign
    1912 full sovereign
    Full sovereign 1974
    Half Sovereign 1901
    1987 1/10 Britannia
    1982 1/10 Kruggerand
    1/10 Guernsey Double 2013
    1890 (S) Full Sovereign
    1909 France 20 FF
    1913 Prussia 20 Mark
    Austrian 100 Corona 1915
    1905 1/2 sovereign
    1906 1/2 sovereign
    1910 1/2 sovereign
    1913 1/2 sovereign
    1907 1/2 sovereign
    1914 1/2 sovereign
    10g gold bar - Mennica Polska
    10 X 10g bars - Degussa
    1912 Full sovereign
    1897 Full sovereign
    1928 St Gaudens double eagle
    1/2 Sovereign - 2006
    1/2 Sovereign - 2008
    1958 Full sovereign
    1966 Full sovereign
    1978 Full sovereign
    1981 Full sovereign
    2001 Full sovereign
    1915 Full sovereign
    2002 1/20 gold panda (with info sheet)
    2015 Full sovereign
    2016 Lunar monkey
    2015 Somalian elephant
    2009 1/10 Maple
    2009 1/10 Maple
    1893 Sovereign
    1894 Sovereign
    Dos Peso 1945
    2000 Guernsey proof
    1959 10 Peso
    2016 RM Lunar Monkey
    2016 Somalian Elephant
    2016 Chinese Panda
    Full sovereign
    1995 Proof Samoan (1/25)
    2000 Lunar dragon - Series I
    1915 4 Ducat (round capsule)
    1991 auspicious matters
    1991 auspicious matters
     
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    you need to be aware that a rare medal is not easy to sell again.
    if you like it because of the design and you do not care about how much it will be worth in times you may not like it anymore do not worry to buy it.
    the distribution channels of these items are for me a bit too intransparent and price development is harder to track.
    if you like to buy because of future wealth protection better go on with a that kind of stock you already own. a 50gr 2016 proof is more a shorttime speculation as the 1gr panda was in times you were able to buy close to pog
     
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    Thanks for sharing info on your stack; it is eclectic and establishes you to be more of a collector although many of items in your collection could be sold easily if/when you want. (I may be wrong). However, the expenditure you are contemplating is going to be one of your most expensive purchases to date!

    The 2015 Panda Lunar Goat 50g Gold medal is an ultralow mintage item. If you go through various coin forums you will get various opinions as to the desirability/risks of low and ultralow mintage coins and medals. If you are looking at this particular item as a collector it means that if you own it you are going to be one of 19 or fewer people in the world who will ever own this item. In that case it will be more like a "priceless art" item (or an expensive piece of junk--Sorry but I owe you the duty of giving both sides of the argument). If you decide to go with it you should also give consideration to buying the 2oz silver medal as well as the 2oz antique silver medal to have a complete three medal set for 2015.

    The 2016 150g proof Gold Panda coin has a larger collector base. To some proponents this means there will be more chances of finding a buyer if you decide to sell in future, and you will belong to a larger member-base club! This 150g panda coin is also part of a 34 year old Chinese Government sponsored international coin and medal series. So it's lineage and longevity is established.

    At the end of the day you have to decide between the two options or none at all. There are people who have bought the 2015 Panda Lunar Goat 50g Gold medal. I believe there are people who are already buying the 2016 150g proof Gold Panda coin. There are also people who have not bought any one of the items under discussion. It boils down to personal choice; I believe that is what has determined what you have bought up to date.

    I hope this information is helpful to you. ninteno also makes very useful points.
     
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    Thanks for all the advice and opinions.

    I have put an offer in for a 150g 2016 proof panda on ebay.

    The company lists it on their shop for 8500 euro but its all in German so I have but a matching bid in on their ebay store.

    Fingers crossed its accepted :)
     
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    Well let's hope it is accepted than you can post pic for the rest of us to look at it as I will probably not get the chance to own one.
     

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