"Bernie Sanders is the best candidate for the Economy"

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  1. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Administrator Staff Member Silver Stacker

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    Why not?

    Edit to add: are the 3.5 billion other people worse off than before? Apart from individual circumstances, the vast majority are living longer, have better access to health care and pay less for consumer goods.
     
  2. Phransisku

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    Then, let me add that the world is not just black and white. There are other things besides Anarcho-capitalism and Socialism.
    Open your mind or you will misunderstand other people's views.

    Me...and every country on Earth. There isn't so far a single example of Anarcho-capitalism that has worked.

    And you're an anarchist who happens to live in a socialist society. One thing does not prevent the other.

    Since I have been replying to your spam, I can be seen as a spammer too.
    But so far you haven't addressed the opening post. Will you ever do it?

    They are worse off indeed. Like Edelman says in the video, most people have today less purchasing power than 15 years ago.
    They live longer and have better access to health care because of your so hated Obama Care. And they don't pay less for consumer goods. The price of food, utilities, etc has not dropped.
     
  3. Phransisku

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    Of course not.
    bordsilver calls it "investments in the skilled labour" when we talk about top management enlarging their own salaries. I call it opportunistic greed and lack of professionalism.
    bordsilver calls it "natural allocation of capital" when we talk about people just sitting on their wealth. I call it dysfunctional Economy.
    If we had a socio-economic system based on the people's work, 80 people would never have as much as 3.5 billion people.
    We have that because we live in a system that praises people's inaction, like Communism does. Those systems simply do not work.
     
  4. errol43

    errol43 New Member Silver Stacker

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    I thought freedom of speech was still available on SS. :) Stay and say what you like on SS..

    MMM....shiney Corporations and not small business is the way things are these days. How much tax do Corporations pay? Not 43cents in the dollar, more like 2 cents. Only small business pays the high rate.

    Corporations are doing a lot of damage in the mining industry and now small business and the workers will have to pay up to clean up the mess...

    Regards Errol 43
     
  5. mmm....shiney!

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    It is, that's why I told phransisku to piss off, it's because I'm allowed to. :lol:

    The 20th century will go down in history as the century that saw the socialist side of politics dominate public policy across all developed nations. The left has definitely won the war and the hearts and minds of most - and the 21st century is shaping to be the same. There are enough dickhead leftists already dominating the world and getting their dickhead leftist ideas published in the MSM and legislated in government policy, I don't need some left-wing jerk coming on to SS promoting his mainstream and dangerous view of the world and in the process destroy everyone's liberty.

    We're already inundated with the same views phransisku espouses on a daily basis everywhere we look, so he can piss off somewhere else and spam another forum.
     
  6. mmm....shiney!

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    Neither does bernie :lol:.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/t...aid-27-653-in-2014-taxes-on-income-of-205-271

    And good on him too. :)

    PS: please don't advocate on behalf of small business operators if you're also going to support the ATO and its cronies.
     
  7. mmm....shiney!

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    Because they qould have to work 43,500,000 times harder than each of the poorest half of the population and i find it hard to imagine they do :p
     
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    Good point, but success (or wealth) is not determined on a pro-rata basis. ;)
     
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    Indeed it isn't. But it's mind boggling to think about that level of wealth.
     
  12. mmm....shiney!

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    And you could ask yourself "What would you do if you had that much wealth?", and the answer would be probably the same answer they'd give, "Invest it in some business venture to create more."

    If you had that much wealth the motivating factor wouldn't be profit (because an extra few $million would make little difference to your lifestyle) but purpose. At that level $$ is merely the measure of success, purpose defines success though. I'm dead set certain Elon Musk, Sergey Brin et al would concur, and in the process we all benefit thanks to a few enlightened entrepreneurs.
     
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    If I had $75 billion + like Bill Gates I'd probably try to create a libertarian utopia in Africa :p
     
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    Simpler to go for the private city idea that Shiney! posted about like Monaco etc.
     
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    What kind of wanker writes this? :rolleyes:
     
  16. mmm....shiney!

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    So it's okay for you to call me a wanker, but you condemn me for telling a well-known socialist agitator to piss off. :lol:

    Come on bastiat, you can't be that hypocritical can you?
     
  17. mmm....shiney!

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    :lol: remember col, there is no such thing as Utopia. ;)
     
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    Read on:

    and regarding the original post:

     
  19. Phransisku

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    That must have been the reason why Hitler sized Germany and established a dictatorship...because he was allowed to.

    So many insults and no answers to my points:
    1 - Me...and every country on Earth. There isn't so far a single example of Anarcho-capitalism that has worked.
    2 - And you're an anarchist who happens to live in a socialist society. One thing does not prevent the other.
    3 - They are worse off indeed. Like Edelman says in the video, most people have today less purchasing power than 15 years ago. They live longer and have better access to health care because of your so hated Obama Care. And they don't pay less for consumer goods. The price of food, utilities, etc has not dropped.

    I understand that you have run out of arguments and try to cover that with a wave of insults. But that attitude doesn't help in a forum where people come to share and learn new ideas and perspectives.

    Your unreasonable heavy language and your disproportionate aggressive behaviour shows you're afraid of me exposing Anarcho-capitalism does not work. In 100 years 200 countries have rejected it and nowadays we haven't one single successful example. As bad as Communism is, it has better chances of being successful than Anarcho-capitalism.

    Also, the modern Capitalism we live in nowadays is in doubt. And that is clearly seen on Bernie Sanders's blustering popularity that flourishes throughout the internet (as opposed to the blackout the TV media has made against him) and national pools, which put him already as the most elegible candidate, not only for the democrats' primary but also for the whole presidential race.

    Today's Capitalism does not favor competition but only the interests of big corporations. It does not strengthen the middle class but only enlarges the differences between rich and poor. It does not favor the creation of better products but only short-life goods that make people to spend more in maintenance or in buying new units (despite technology being far greater nowadays than 50 years ago).

    Todays's Capitalism focuses on the stock and derivatives markets and praises people's inaction (like Communism does). The average citizen, the working class and the people that sustain all this are getting their reward: less purchasing power than 15 years ago. Let's all applaud to that.
     
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    It reminds me of Communism...but even worse. At least in Communism they did something to get a "small piece of the pie". Rentiers and inheritors do nothing to get a far far larger piece.
    It's not only immoral, it's catastrophic for the Economy.
     

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