You just shot yourself in the foot. The law is full of these anachronisms that don't have their literal meaning any longer. When there is only one person on a title for land, what do we call them in law? "Sole owner". If the government came to your doorstep tomorrow and said "we're taking your land because you don't actually own it" I'd love to see the fallout that would cause. Moral of the story is that if you have a Torrens title that is unencumbered, you own your land outright.
No offense intended, but some of the most stupid people I know of hide behind a qualification. I personally would rely on rationale and logic as the defining arguement of a debate, not a certificate. Just saying.
Apparently you did too, because 'tenant' does appear on Australian property titles. As in "Tenant in common". Did you not read the rest of the sentence after where you bolded: I guess the real test is whether or not government entities pay any tax on land they own? Does anybody know if government entities pay land tax in Australia? That's interesting I have a photocopy of a title from the 1970s that says "Sole tenant". My last deed stated I was a "Tenant in common" with my wife. Law doesn't operation on morals. And, in case you've been living under a rock, this type of situation happens all the time in Australia: 1. Property holder fails to pay land taxes/rates. 2. Government wants a freeway built. 3. Government wants to grow trees. 4. Property holder becomes bankrupt. 5. Property holder has some court order taking possession of the land. 6. The property holder cannot sufficiently explain their wealth. You stated that the government has to provide "fair" compensation to the property holder. That is true in some cases. However if the property holder simply doesn't want to move, they have no choice or men with guns will come and take them away, because they don't actually own it, the Crown owns the land by allodial title. The only real title that gives ownership is/was an allodial title. In Australia The Crown is still the superior landlord for all torrens titles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title
In addition http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/02/20/land-use-and-csg-what-rights-do-property-owners-have/ Same is true in Australia.
And this is as close as any society can ever get to ownership of land. Absolute ownership is only possible for a sovereign entity. It does not however, make you merely a "tenant" on your land as you claim. When you are a "tenant in common" for example, you are a tenant in common with the other people who have ownership - in this case, with the other people on the title as owners, NOT the Crown. You should note that you can also be tenants in common for other assets, such as money and estates. The word "tenant" in law means more than its common meaning of "someone subject to a landlord".
lol - the first sensible post i've seen on property in a hellova long time. The only thing being OWNED is the property owner! Until the day that we see true property rights installed you will never own property, but will continue to be owned by coercive governments. This will never happen under the watch of fascist/socialist governments. Congrats mate - you're one of an elite few...
what bollocks! owning something has NO MEANING if the government can tax you for simply holding it, and can sell it out from under you if you dont accede to this theft. catch a wakeup mate! you're living in the twilight zone
Interestingly, if Ayn Rand is the mother of Objectivism, then Aristotle is most certainly the father. A little off topic, but worth a mention...
all legal hocus pocus that doesn't mean much. when it comes down to it you dont own anything - you are owned as a property owner by your coercive government.
So a torrens title is close to ownership, but not quite? Correct me if I'm wrong, but torrens title in Australia means being granted ownership of an abstract entity (called an estate in land), which doesn't mean the land itself. The Crown, being a sovereign, retains ultimate land ownership via allodial title. In return for ownership of this abstract entity, a person must pay to The Crown (or its agents) certain fees (in the form of taxation). That sounds like Feudalism to me. Allodial titles have been granted in Nevada USA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title#Nevada Who is "The Crown"? Why can't I be a sovereign entity? is it because I'm not of the correct bloodline?
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You are amazing and should be pleading at the bar. Truly, by merely posting on this board we are being robbed of genius that could be used to benefit the courtrooms of this country. I thank you sir for informing us all that we are not truly owners of our land. This is truly a scandalous revelation and I suggest further action on your part as a service to our community. May I suggest that you contact the press and inform them of such, as I am sure many squatters will want to take protective measures on the land they occupy at the sufferance of our gracious Queen. I might also draw your attention to the fact that we also do not seem to own our cars, as we are subject to onerous registration requirements every year. Perhaps when you are free from your busy schedule, you can consider these courses of action. Yippe-Ki Ya's skill for negotiation and communication may be an asset to you in this regard.
So you admit then, buying real estate doesn't entitle you to own it, but gives you limited rights to the exclusion of (some) others, provided the Crown doesn't want the land, you keep paying taxes, remain solvent, and remain free of criminal convictions. And if you need to use or improve the real estate, you need approval from the Crown or its agents.
