Mate - you've been hopelessly indoctinated (zombified) by the socialist, coercive state into believing this cr@p that: 1. it is the gubmint's duty to provide all these so-called services 2. the state can provide these services more efficiently than the free market can Let me enlighten you and other "do-gooders" a bit about the brazen theft which we are brainwashed from the cradle to the grave by the state into believing to be justified... Please note that the following is written specifically referencing the US, however our taxation system is even more coercive and thieving than is theirs! Want a clear indication of what the welfare state is really all about? Note that the barest necessities of lifefood, clothing, shelter, transportation, and self-defenseare all taxed. L. Neil Smith The average American ends up paying half of what he earns every year to governments at various levels. Aside from federal income and excise taxes, there are state taxes, county taxes, and city taxes of various kinds, not to mention a virtual plague of "special taxing districts". Property taxes, use taxes, and sales taxes add to a burden that keeps most Americans "in their place", without hope for a better life for themselves or for their children. Criticized by grandiose authorities on economics both here and abroad because they have no savings, nobody ever argues back that, after all is said and done and everything is paid for, the Productive Class have no money left to save. And if they did, it would be eaten away by capital gains taxes. Americans have always worked hard to feed, clothe, and house their families, to drive them back and forth to school or church or Little League, to keep them healthy, safe, and secure. Now, thanks largely to the Internet, which allows them to communicate their discontents to one another, they've gotten understandably restive, having half of what they earnand their entire future in the bargainstolen by the nonproductive beneficiaries of a runaway government. Accusations coming from the thieves, that this attitude represents some kind of Neanderthal racism on the part of those who only wish to keep the fruits of their labor only bring America closer to some kind of great explosion. Politicians should be aware that the American Revolution and the War Between The States both began as tax revolts, as did the 1794 Whiskey Rebellion and before it, to a certain extent, Shay's Rebellion of 1786. It's no wonder at all that tax parasites hate and fear the Tea Party movement. The original Tea party was all about taxation, too. Individual observers in the establishment "lamestream" media differ on what they will admit motivates the Tea Party movement. Aside from their usual, reflexive accusations of race prejudice, the most ridiculous attempt to explain it away is that it's all about the federal deficit. I don't believe this for a minute. For better or worse, nobody who lives and works in the real world gives a rusty turtle about the criminally sloppy way the government jiggers its own books. They're much more interested in how they're going to pay this month's bills. Or make the mortgage payment. What they do give a damn about are the "four Ps": peace, freedom, progress, and prosperity. (Yes, I know "freedom" doesn't start with a P"writing" and "arithmetic" don't start Rs, either.) All four of those values are clearly threatened by legislation like the attempted Obama-Reed-Pelosi takeover of the medical sector, andmore than anything elsethat's what sent people out into the streets in the summer of 2009, and brought them to the nation's capital in the summer of 2010. The government's failure to deal with illegal immigration, its high-handed and prissy disdain for people's religious beliefs, and its persistent attempts to disarm, to disautomobile (to coin a term), and to destroy the Productive Class all figure into the phenomenon, as well. I was just a little kid when my mom and dad first told me about taxation, I was absolutely outraged. How dare anybody threaten to take my moneyI was a professional hunter: killing box elder bugs for a penny apiece on my grandmother's back porch was the major source of my incomeand inform me I had no choice about it? I'm still outraged, but I wonder about other little kids who drew a different lesson from this chapter of practical reality: if it's okay for the government to threaten people and steal from them, then why shouldn't it be okay for me? When the average individual finally understands the full extent of what has been stolen from him or her, who can predict what will happen? Look at it this way: half of everything each of us earns is taken from us by one government or another. This means that our ability to cope with the world around usto send our children to the doctor or the dentist, to keep our houses warm enough (or cool enough) for them, to make sure they have new shoes occasionally and a broader choice of entertainment and information than broadcast TV or the culture's dying newspapers can provideor to fulfill our dreams for the future, is slashed in half, just so that some bureaucrat or politician can use your money to keep himself and a string of bimbos wallowing in luxury and think of more ways to deprive you of your life, liberty, and property. The fat you see, hanging in disgusting rolls off the bodies of the women down at the Department of Motor Vehicles, is the flesh of your children. As if it weren't enough to subsist on only half of what you earn, everybody you do business with, individuals, companies, is in exactly the same boat. Each of them is paying half, or more, of his income to government. Which means that, when you finally save up enough for that pair of shoes, you'll be paying the shoemaker's taxes, as well as your own. To review: you only get to keep one half of the money you have sweated to earn, and that money only goes half as far as it would in a truly free, untaxed economy. We all live on one quarter of the effort we have expended. (In effect, I only get paid for one world out of every four I write.) The restan unbelievable three quarters of our earningsgoes to the political sharks and their parasitic pilot fish. But it gets worse. Complying with thousands of idiotic and unconstitutional laws and regulations has a cost all its own. Many companies maintain an office, and a gaggle of employees, simply to fill out forms the government demands of it. The person-hours squandered over the past century just completing Form 1040s could probably have built another Great Pyramid or two. Truckers cutting across the corner of a state without buying fuel may be taxed for the fuel they should have bought there. Environmental and "safety" regulationsbased on the same quality of science that gave us Global Warmingadd to the waste, until the cost of doing business doubles again. We find ourselves living on one eighth of what we earn, and wondering how the hell to make ends meet, while government takes seven eighths of it away, mostly to use against us. To confiscate a phrase from the socialist economist John Maynard Keynes (and how could he object: from each according to his ability, to each according to his political pull, as Karl Marx might have said if he'd been more honest) taxation is a barbarous relic of the ancient past. It almost certainly began 10,000 years ago, when our ancestors made the mistake of giving up the hunter-gatherer life, and settled down to farming. The wandering bands of bullies and thieves they were accustomed to running away from, or fighting off with their hunting tools, could stop wandering, too. They settled down right beside their victims who, stuck on the farm, were no longer free to run away. Nor did the bullies and thieves have to worry any more about facing folks armed with hunting weapons. Farm implements are lousy for self-defense and with agriculture (unlike hunting) there's never any spare time or other resources to make a second set of tools or keep in practice with them. In due course, the bullies and thieves declared themselves to be kings, princes, barons, lords, supreme gazooties, and so forth; their Productive Class victims became lowly subjects and made to feel they owed this phony-baloney "nobility" everything, including a farmer's bride on their wedding day, or the occasional virgin daughter. Taxes are what we still pay to this day to keep the thieves and bullies (now they mostly call themselves presidents, senators, and congressmen) from stealing everything. Molesting children became the purview of the Church. The next time you see Betty Battenberg, the Monarch of Airstrip One, or her genetically-depleted halfwit offspring being grandly celebrated on television, remember that she's the Queen only because her ancestors bashed in more heads, and intimidated more helpless, unarmed peasants, than anybody else around. That's all there is to royalty; that's all there ever was. The guillotine was too good for them. But as usual, I have digressed. Once upon a time, I ran for the state legislature, entering the race late, against the six-term Speaker of the House. I spent a total of eight dollars on my campaign and got fifteen percent of the vote, a third-party record that stood for at least a decade. My campaign consisted, almost entirely, of reading to audiences from the grocery shopping ads in every Wednesday's newspaper, dividing all the prices by eight, which is what things would cost in an unregulated, untaxed economy. You should try it. It's educational and lots of fun. Everybody seemed to love it. In the midst of droning three-minute speeches mumbled by candidates for dogcatcher or tax assessor, what I told them made people sit up, listen, laugh, cheer, even boo and hiss while most of them were transported, if only for a few moments, to a place where the future was brighter and more colorful than they'd ever known. In those moments, my first novel, The Probability Broach was born. It should be the openly-stated goal of any organization that calls itself libertarian, or claims that it values freedom above all things, to rid civilization of this barbarous relic and abolish all taxes for all time. It will prove difficult, and it may take a long while. But the anti-slavery movement, which finally succeeded in the nineteenth century, was actually started four hundred years earlier by Queen Isabella of Spain in the 1490s, when she was horrified to see the miserable, frightened captives Columbus brought back from the New World. However long it takes in the end, the economic, scientific, and humanitarian advances that will be engendered, simply by restoring to ourselves the missing seven eighths of what we have earned, will be absolutely staggering. The possibilities certainly stagger me. Our species will never be the same. Humans with thousand-year lifespans our children, our grandchildren, our great grandchildren, but possibly you and I, ourselveswill leap for the stars and we will never look back. We might even get our visiphones and flying cars. In the short run, ridding ourselves of taxation and regulation will restore the personal and business privacy that the Republicans profess not to believe in, but which is the unquestionable birthright of every Americanindeed, of every single individual on the planet. The only political question we'll have left to answer is whether the former employees of the IRS, the EPA, the BATFE, and OSHA should be sentenced to a special prison built for them on Alcatraz, or to a trillion hours of public service, as allowed under the Thirteenth Amendment. A final thing, for libertarian campaigners and platform writers: when a ravenous carnivore has its claws sunk into your body and its foul predatory breath is blasting hot on your throat, it is not your obligation to find the beast something elseor somebody elseto devour. The media always want to know what a libertarian tax program would consist of. The one rational and acceptable libertarian tax program is to get rid of every tax we can find enough political power to get rid of, with the ultimate and inexorable objective of ending taxation altogether. Period. Down With Power Neil L. Smith http://www.down-with-power.com/
Your elderly relatives paid for the original infrastructure and thanks to the Government buying on credit, your children will be paying for the stuff we are building today. I came over on the last boat so won't be paying for anything. However I did pay for a ton of stuff back in the UK which I will never get to use.
No incorrect . You are the one that is so against debt & the system that your now advocating young kids need to go to Mr rental to borrow or get into their parents assets ....again debt just to get to work You dont take into account new immigrants who had no relatives here ? or do we have treaties signed by participating govs ? what if they come from a nion participating country ?. . What if the rest of the family have been welfare recipients & never contributed ? & the young kid wants to be the first to break out of the poverty cycle ?. Your plan has so many holes i cant take it seriously thats why the : your whole plan is nonsense & why it isnt being used its totally unworkable to the enth degree while it seems good to you on face value it cant work . I think you need to think it through & work out how your going to actually pay for the things mentioned . Its too late theres been generations of people that would need to be repaid effectively leaving the system penniless. Think about it before you post another dream scenario. ..... please ......
Geez yippee thats a long post looks like it was written by someone with a higher iq than you :lol: Seriously its got nothing to do with indoctrination . I just feel i owe the last generation the same debt to the next generation & not be a tightarse spendthrift who doesnt want to contribute . I agree we pay too much tax sometimes a tax on a tax on a tariff but i feel we need taxation to keep moving forward.as a first world country .. It needs to be totally reworked . Could you imagine having to deal with so many different entities for every service you used ? What i nightmare its bad enough dealing with your phone carrier .not to mention every single thing you used .
I can't think of any plan that wouldn't have holes, or at least where someone wouldn't make holes for their own benefit. Australia is a big diverse country, trying to find one solution to fix all the problems is doomed to failure, however the Government is happy to spend other people's money to try.
Post #84. What are you ranting about? Morality of debt? We already discussed that. Get rid of the govt and their crony banksters (a given if no taxes) and there's automatically no issue. Simple. Ownership of the equity? Why do you even care as long as it's out of govt hands and we are all free to choose to use? You probably have no ownership in Apple yet you can access and benefit from their services. As I deliberately pointed out, just like Russia's problem there isn't any way of knowing who funded what infrastructure so presumably an ad hoc solution will happen along the lines of what I said, including local assets being owned equally by local residents. The people on welfare can sell their equity to pay for things until they get a job and then buy back in at a later date if they so choose. Immigrants? Moving costs money. Everyone knows that. The govt didn't pay for any of my moves and I either had to save or get the new business I was working for to pay. Simple. "Leaving the system penniless". What? There is no system, that's the point of privatising everything. You are liquidating the govt.
OK B right S park ...The system is your system not the government . & your user pays system would be penniless paying all the contributors back to make any improvements . Theres been untold billions paid already how long do you think it will take to pay that back from the measly user pays contributions you propose ? Thats why i call B ull S hit . Try to keep track of the conversation eh ?
you left out the biggest waste of our tax money of all - paying for and supporting refugees !!! So what? Common Law could easily take care of that because there is an actual victim in such a case (unlike 99% of state statutes which are there simply to steal from people)
Arab nations practically has its oil reserves controlled by their royal families. Hell, the entire country is theirs. That means for OZ to follow suit, you need to relinquish all controls to the powerful politicians and their families. Then allow them in their boredom or kindness develop nice infrastructures for us. Since they are all powerful now, I can't see a huge need for free speech (like the Arab nations) and while we are at it, maybe introduce censorship and flogging to all the complainers. So, yeah I guess we could follow suit to Arab nations.
I guess you're missing the point of private people/entities only trading goods and services to customers make something called "profit". This "profit" gives them the ability to call on other goods and services (including labour) available elsewhere in the economy to put to extra uses including investment in new productivity improving infrastructure/technologies with the aim of freeing up yet more scarce resources available to provide yet more goods and services that customers actually want. In contrast the govt takes goods and services (including labour) and spends it on whatever things it feels like (including digging holes and filling them in again or providing expensive MRI services to Mrs Johnson in Lightening Ridge). This reduces the amount of things physically available to people. Yes, Russia had bread - if you only wanted one loaf and were willing to line up for 8 hours in the snow and accept only one type.
The time may be coming when everyone will have to fend for themselves. Some have already started fending, just in case. :lol:
My only point there was to highlight the fact that if you left people to chose what is most important to spend their money on they will chose to buy themselves things rather than pay for services which they have always had for 'free'. Having seen some people's houses I am left in no doubt that they would not want to spend any money improving their local area and instead would prefer to spend it on cigarettes and cable TV. which is I guess why the gov doesn't give them the option. We would have to prosecute a lot of people because common sense would not get a look in.
sorry me no savvvy Taxation is theft of other peoples property. taxation is NOT what seperates lifestyle from hessian bags and mud huts. So taxation is good? is that what you mean?
Well hasn't the thieving gubmint already started doing that with toll roads? Oops i forget - we're still paying just as much - if not more taxes for roads, PLUS we're paying tolls on top of that for the "private" roads. what a croc of sh1t!! Roads should be privatised - and i will gladly pay the tolls thereon - but then i wont pay 1 cent for Rego, license fees, tax on petrol - and all the other thieving ways which the coercive regime steals from me supposedly paying for roads :lol:
Speak for yourself mate. there is no amount of "good spending" which the regime could do with the proportion of money it steals from private citizens... They have no right to redistribute wealth the way they do... the abject waste which goes along with it is obviously inexcusable, but i'm saying that even the money which is theoretically not 'wasted' is still misallocated in their relocation of wealth social engineering experiments. Any constitution that's worth the paper its written on should prevent government from having the power to do so. lol - we don't even have a Bill of Rights here in Stralia ... go figure!
