The truth of collectivist ideologues

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  1. CriticalSilver

    CriticalSilver New Member Silver Stacker

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    Ex-KGB propagandist, Yuri Bezmenov, interviewed by G. Edward Griffin in 1984, outlining the hypocrisy and idiocy of socialist collectivism. Most telling is the annihilation of individual rights of all kinds.

    I suggest starting at 1:07, listening to the stages of propaganda and subversion followed, before going back to the beginning for a broader perspective.

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnf0I2dQ0i0[/youtube]
     
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    honey stacker New Member Silver Stacker

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    Its weird how communism and capitalism seem to be trading places in a lot of ways. I have seen parts of this interview. The fact I have only been learing of vids like this and major historical events recently just goes to show how controlled the media and school system really is.
     
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    Democracy is, by definition, collectivism. It's the majority collectively deciding for everyone.

    The school system is a state-run monopoly.
     
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    Thankfully we are not a true democracy. In a true democracy the majority can vote to do whatever they want without any restrictions. What you need is a constitutionally limited democracy (preferably one that is centred on protection of individual right and places includes strict limits on intervening on those rights) - i.e. it focusses on the selection and rejection of certain personnel in key power spots but their power is constitutionally limited.

    It's always worth remembering that Socrates was put to death via a democratic vote even though he hadn't initiated any violence against others or violated other people's rights.
     
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    yennus Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I think that's called a Republic :)

    There exists a Peoples Republic :)
     
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    bordsilver Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    :lol: Gotta love the insidious subtleties present in many parts of the English language.

    Yes, it is a republic. How about we go for the term "Liberal Democracy" which encompasses Republics plus a few others but not the nasty People's Republics, Social Democracy, Facism or Communism etc.
     
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    A few years ago I was in equal parts horrified and enlightened by reading about the Soviet funding of socialist groups in Western universities and also direct funding and direction for nuclear dissarmament parties in Australia/UK and elsewhere.

    Their tentacles went places we would not imagine.

    Great video.
     
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    Isn't this what the USA was intended to be by the 'founding fathers'?

    Only, since then the constitution and other legalities have been severely eroded by corrupt judges inferring 'intent' upon the words and essentially voiding them. And the fact that the constitution is virtually irrelevant and not upheld in the USA anymore.

    I think it was a decent system, but what safeguards can be put in place to stop this corrupt erosion of laws over time? It happened readily to the USA, I think it can happen readily to anywhere. Big $$ makes changes happen. War time 'necessity' makes changes happen. 'Fear' of safety (terrorism propaganda) makes changes happen.

    I don't know the solution myself. I still see democracy as part of a cycle of governments, whereby it inevitably morphs into dictatorship, then through fascism, who knows what else, revolution, then back to democracy again. Not sure if that cycle can truly be broken?
     
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    bordsilver Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    ^ Yes and it worked very well for a few generations before the rot set in. It is hard to know if a liberal democratic system can be set up which does not decay eventually (primarily through subversion from within).
     
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    If I could go back and bring up all the damn threads on SS in the past where people have completely shit all over the concept of Laissez Faire as a system that would 'never work'...

    :rolleyes:
     

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