New to bullion investing. Do i pay Tax on profits?

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  1. Yippe-Ki-Ya

    Yippe-Ki-Ya New Member

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    I understand where you're coming from, but the official inflation rate or CPI is a joke. Everything i need to pay for - including government charges - generally go up by much much more than CPI. Basically CPI is a croc invented by government in order to make the effect of inflation look far far less than it actually is. Anybody paying real world prices can tell you that CPI is baloney!

    While on the topic, take a look at this link - it illustrates what Cap Sparow is saying quite well about CGT - using PMs as an example.

    http://www.safehaven.com/article/17108/hidden-gold-taxes-the-secret-weapon-of-bankrupt-governments
     
  2. Big A.D.

    Big A.D. Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I wouldn't call the official CPI figure a "joke" but I agree it isn't necessarily the best way to calculate the increase in the cost of living (which is probably a more relevant figure for most people).

    Some stuff has actually gone down in price recently, so that offsets the increase in price of other things. Electricity prices have gone up recently and everyone is very aware of the increase, but are people then taking into account the fact that computers, whitegoods and milk are cheaper than they were last year?

    Whatever figure you care to use - CPI, basket of groceries, etc - that figure represents the average for everyone, so it doesn't matter if you're a wage earner or an asset trader. In fact, if you've got enough money to trade high-value assets for a living, you're probably more able to afford an increase in the cost of living than some poor shmuck getting a weekly paycheck. If you do a deal and make a profit, expect to hand over a portion of it to the government to spend on schools and roads and hospitals and stuff.
     
  3. capt.sparrow

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    yes, this certainly does show by way of extreme example how the government benefits from inflation using one of its newest weapons of mass wealth theft - "capital gains tax".
    This kind of tax was only invented in the last twenty odd years and was specifically designed to prevent astute investors from hedging themselves against the inflation tax.
    By way of comparison, income tax is a little bit older - less than 100 years old in most countries, yet most sheeple now accept it as a fair tax.

    Before that - government was much much smaller and ran pretty much on excise duties.

    It's amazing how sheeple accept the ever encroaching expropriation of private property by governments. Now many regard the relatively new CGT as "fair".
    I wonder what's the next tax that will be used to shorn the sheeple? oh yes - now i remember - a tax on carbon!
    And next we'll probably have a UFO tax to protect the citizens of the planet from possible aggressive alien attack!? Anybody noticed how the subject of UFOs and aliens etc have started to make a subtle comeback? Keep your ears peeled sheeple - and be ready to be shorn further.
     
  4. Big A.D.

    Big A.D. Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    No, it was designed to prevent rich bastards who earn enough to live on by trading high value assets from not paying any tax at all.

    Are you seriously saying that someone like James Packer who can not only preserve his wealth but increase it substantially by buying and selling expensive things like newspapers and casinos shouldn't pay any tax on the money he makes doing that?
     
  5. projack

    projack Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    The problem with CGT is punishing winners, but do not compensate losers.
    Also prevent you to take profit and jump back to the same investment few months later.
    I just do not understand how you can you not to feel ripped off if you take your $27 return from silver after CGT paid, invest it in gold and not to feel 20% worse off, specially if gold price drops a few hundred dollars 3 months later?
     
  6. capt.sparrow

    capt.sparrow New Member

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    Not sure if you had a look at the link Yip provided but I found it quite helpful in illustrating my point at how CGT can be used to steal a large portion of anything, eg Precious Metals which has undergone no real increase in value, as i believe an ounce of gold or silver pretty much retains its average buying power throughout history.
    Nonetheless, looking at the example presented - under the coming high inflation which is a forgone conclusion, i just hope that you'll still be willing to give up what will effectively amount to close to half of your stack in "capital gains tax" ... because in the coming shtf scenario - anybody who has the foresight to attempt to preserve their wealth by buying gold or silver - which includes YOU - will be regarded as a "rich barstad" by the mobs of sheeple who will lose close to everything they own in the coming financial crises.

    Hope you're still happy then to give away close to half of everything you own in CGT.

    Even if you are happy to do that, dont expect others to be as naive ...
     
  7. projack

    projack Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    You have to pay taxes on every bump, but absorbed loses in every dip

    Basically you have to make business decisions on taxations and not on your investment fundamentals
     
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    Well said projack you need to weigh up the tax before you invest IMO or have a good minimisation strategy
     

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