How to tell if gold is real?

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  1. goldpelican

    goldpelican Administrator Staff Member

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    "2 rand" is a South African gold coin the same specifications as a sovereign, struck from 1961 to 1983. There's also a much older "1 pond" coin that's the same spec as a sovereign that dates pre-1900. There's also regular South African sovereigns.

    Personally I use digital scales for coins, and try to stick to ones I know.
     
  2. ausct

    ausct New Member

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    Thanks goldpelican, any specific realiable digital scale recommandation and where I can purchase one?

    Cheers
    A
     
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    goldpelican Administrator Staff Member

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  4. unfunkable

    unfunkable Active Member

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    great
    bought one of those cheap scales
    thanks for all the help guys!
     
  5. Dwayne

    Dwayne New Member

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    Well, I ordered one of these... Hopefully it will work ok
     
  6. rbaggio

    rbaggio Active Member Silver Stacker

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    It works fine. I have a review on it here somewhere. Also had a review of it on youtube, before someone complained and it was removed, due to 'trademark violation'.
     
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    Dwayne New Member

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    I remember your review - I guess I'm more worried about whether I can work it ok. You know, user error :)
     
  8. rbaggio

    rbaggio Active Member Silver Stacker

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    It works for the following gold coins:

    * British Sovereign / 2 Rand
    * 1 oz (Krugerrand, American Eagle, Isle of Man Angel, Britannia)
    * 0.5 oz (Krugerrand, American Eagle, Isle of Man Angel, Britannia)
    * 0.25 oz (Krugerrand, American Eagle, Isle of Man Angel, Britannia)
    * 0.1 oz (Krugerrand, American Eagle, Isle of Man Angel, Britannia)
     
  9. rbaggio

    rbaggio Active Member Silver Stacker

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    Picked up a 1/2oz bar today, I hadn't seen this style bar in this size before, so thought I would try out Sticks' test.

    [imgz=http://forums.silverstackers.com/uploads/478_suisse_1a.jpg][​IMG][/imgz]

    Dry weight: 15.56g

    [imgz=http://forums.silverstackers.com/uploads/478_suisse_2.jpg][​IMG][/imgz]

    With scales tare'd: 0.80g (tried and tested 'eggcup' method .... lightest vessel I have)

    [imgz=http://forums.silverstackers.com/uploads/478_suisse_3.jpg][​IMG][/imgz]

    15.56 / 0.8 = 19.45 ... gold gold gold :p

    [imgz=http://forums.silverstackers.com/uploads/478_suisse_4.jpg][​IMG][/imgz]

    Thanks again Sticks for the test, very handy for us High School science dropouts.
     
  10. Austacker

    Austacker Active Member

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    But you took it out of the wrapper arggg....
     
  11. unfunkable

    unfunkable Active Member

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    hey i did this method on a 1kg silver bar
    my dad being a crafty one said, it wouldn't work if the bar had bubbles in it, as this would increase the volume.

    any other good ways to test bars ( besides that expensive xray thing)
     
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    rbaggio Active Member Silver Stacker

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    meh ... it's bullion. It was bought for spot.
     
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    I really like this density method posted by sticks! How do you test for sterling or any other non-pure silvers though? thanks.
     
  14. euphoria

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    Exactly the same way. It finds the specific Gravity of a material. So do the test the same way you will just get a different result. If you get an SG radically different from what you are expecting, then you may not have what you thought you did. (Water has an SG of 1 for reference). Tungsten has an SG of 19.25.

    SG of:

    .999 Gold = 19.45
    0.9167 Gold (22 Carat) = 18.44 (Balance being copper)

    .999 silver = 10.49
    0.925 Silver (Sterling) = 10.37 (Balance being Copper)

    .999 platinum = 21.45
     
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    So it would depend on what silver is alloyed with? Is there a formula for different forms of silver less than .999?
     
  16. LTEK4NZ

    LTEK4NZ Member Silver Stacker

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    silver is usually just done with copper. so find the total weight. and the purity.

    925 would be
    (10.49*.925) = 9.7033
    (8.92*.075) = 0.669
    -----------------= 10.3723 = grams per cm3 of Stirling. i think
     
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    Lunardragon Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Like to keep this post as ref :)
     
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    LTEK4NZ Member Silver Stacker

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    ok. i just did a SG test on pure copper and came up with 9.16 gcm3 whats wrong?

    coin 28.4 grams
    container and water 289.1 grams
    container water coin 292.2 grams.
     
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    Thank you, as a newbie, this is the most useful thread I have seen so far. Cheers!
     
  20. BullionNZ

    BullionNZ New Member

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    The only method we use is chemical analysis from inside the item i.e destruction testing. This is undertaken at an approved laboratory. Whilst this is somewhat expensive (and destroys the item) it is a small price to pay in the long run. Certainly would not suggest this is right for everyone but is a lot better than the 'drop test' - audible, acid or mustard and fire. Even better than XRF scan.

    Disclaimer: I am directly affiliated with www.bullionnz.com
     

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