Your proof proves you wrong

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  1. alor

    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    starting a new thread now that your other one has you having to admit that iran shot down a passenger jet, 1st lied about it claiming mechanical failure then admitted that they shot it down but its not their fault because of America scared them into doing it. but only after all the evidence surfaced online.
     
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    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    the conclusion after their preliminary investigation
    they have already establish the facts
     
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    do you mean the point where they admit shooting a passenger jet down?
    what about who? why? etc
    either the Iranian military is bloodthirsty and incompetent or they have target the jet for a reason
    but hey, we can trust a state that immediately lied about the cause being mechanical failure after takeoff right?
    just another woopsie, the Americans made them do it
     
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    It's always sad to see people upset when it turns out it wasn't the US that was the bad guy. The US MSM shows this from time to time when reporting on events where the US was initially blamed then it turns out to be false.

    If Iran didn't admit this, some would never accept what was the obvious truth from the videos.

    PS This song reminds me of Iran in this situation (along with Alor), even though obvious proof.

     
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    The US got itself embroiled in the Middle East against its wishes. There was a good reason for the trepidation. The USA is now beholden to Israeli and diaspora interests if that is not obvious.

    The great lesson of the 20th century was that those who died in the wars thought they were fighting for a purpose much higher than their own lives.

    Were they right?

    History shows they only fought for a few rich people and those rich people did not reciprocate. A really bad deal, in other words.

    While I love the USA as I knew it in my youth, the leadership can’t be US until the monetary system is back in the hands of the republic.

    What we see now is a Frankenstein Hollywood version.

    The rest of the world hopefully sees the subversion for what it is.

    I’ll always remember the US in terms of the people that protected Australia when the chips were down. And definitely not in terms of those who merely profited on the backs of human suffering.
     
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    the plane is heading in different direction?? (out of civilian corridor) this reason is not explained
    the ending is just like Kasshogi verdict where a few people got prosecuted
    the army that fired got fired and face prosecution

     
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    civil aviation boss does not control the army, not everything is under his charge
    if you mixed everything up, no sure where they come about
     
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    Iran taking a page out of the yanks book.... Shoot first and ask questions later! what a bunch of idiots world leaders have turned into.
     
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    Good old alor
    Dances around the obvious facts that the iran military shot a passenger jet down, either through incompetence or pure evil target a passenger jet
    "But no, don't you know, they didn't follow commercial flight plan. Poor Iranian military were forced to do it by the big bad us of a!!"
     
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    The world has always been how it has been, and how it appears today. There has never been a total "benevolent" ruler or society. If there was, they would not last long as a world leader and would become a mean country's b!tch fairly quick.

    Early US presidents like George Washington, etc, owned slaves and was part of a nation that killed native americans (indians) to steal their land.

    Thomas Jefferson raped his slaves and had children with them. Yet these early leaders made the US "system" such as Constitution and such which are the best "laws" yet created for a country that likes fairness for its citizens (or not if you are a lefty).

    Some today look back on the "good old days" with George Washington and Abraham Lincoln and believe they were good and today's leaders are bad. Complete childlike thinking.

    The problem will be when ideology weakens a nation so much others can overtake it. That should be the main concern of every nation, not how much its enemies hate it.

    Life is about survival, not about winning popularity contests.
     
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    It is a one way street with the modern narrative

    I’m thinking about the real people who helped us and that is never going away, no matter how many information distribution points are controlled by people that want to spread lies
     
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    Thinking outside the box solution! Is, its passenger airline squarker signal may have compramised by a third party to make it look like a jet other than its true shell. Strange that 2 passenger planes go down in well similar circumstances .. Strange shit indead
     
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    yes, make up stories sounds much better,
    3 days before the flight, during maintenance someone sabotage the system and damages the black boxes. 2 minutes after took off, it was remotely taken over, the radio was off and navigation gone hair-wired
    pilot made a came back loop, then there was a poor rocket specialist with an incoming in his direction, he fired the shots that took down that poor plane.
    we have a plane that is 80^ off course and on the ground
     
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    Good hypothesis. If true I'm sure Iran wi have sufficient evidence. If not true there won't be any evidence to show.
     
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    IRGC's Aerospace Commander Amir-Ali Hajizadeh:

    “We were at that time READY FOR AN ALL-OUT WAR with US. We had reports of cruise missiles fired at Iran. It was an individual's error that caused this tragedy.”

    One can imagine the extreme seriousness of the situation.

    The Aerospace Commander also said something crucial: that an Air Defense operator sent a message to his commanders; but he DIDN’T RECEIVE ANY RESPONSE FOR TEN SECONDS. So he decided to shoot the Ukrainian plane down.

    So it was a – tragic - internal communication mistake. The responsibility belongs to “his commanders”. Predictable, considering everyone was under extremely high pressure.
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    I think at least part of the "blame" for the downed plane would be those at the top who made the decision that a plane should take off from an airport shortly after the Iranians fired missiles at the US base. Probably everyone was expecting the US to retaliate after that. I blame those decision makers as much as the soldiers who mistakenly shot the plane.

    When I first heard the story I thought the US downed it while staging some counter attack after the missiles hit the base. Glad I was wrong though we get enough blame for stuff.
     
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    I was trying to figure, where could it been fired from
    usually US fired from far away ships, like to Syria
    but Iran is inland, and Caspian lake is not accessible by US
     
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    ابو صالح حیدر
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    Iranian CGRI Aerospace Cmdr: I wish I was dead and such an incident hadn't happened. We in CGRI accept all the responsibility, and are ready to implement any decision made by the Establishment.

    I was in the country's west following attacks on US base in Iraq when I heard the news. We sacrificed our lives for our people for a lifetime, and now we're trading our reputation with God (disgracing ourselves) and appear in front of the camera to explain.

    We had requested the establishment of a no-fly zone given the war situation. But it was not approved for certain considerations.

    Air Defence operator sent a message to his commanders; but after he didn't receive any response for 10 seconds, he decided to shoot it down.

    I informed Iranian officials on Wednesday morning, and said we speculate our own passenger plane has been shot down. But the General Staff of Armed Forces quarantined all those who knew about it, and decided to declare it later.

    The officials, including Aviation authorities, who kept denying the missile hit, are not guilty. They made those remarks based on what they knew. We are to blame for everything.

    We were at that time ready for an all-out war with US. We had reports of cruise missiles fired at Iran. It was an individual's "error" that caused this tragedy.

    The CGRI commander repeated for several times that the Aviation Organization was not to blame. All the blame must be pinned on Armed Forces & and those who failed to control the situation (no-fly zone perhaps).
    Key point in his remarks was reports of cruise missile fired at Iran.

    https://www.facebook.com/maximilian...018429267098/1409032015932406/?type=3&theater
     
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