They are both lying fools that actually believe all that BS. All those doom and gloom predictions, few if any have come close to accurate. PERTH the first abandoned city, Adelaide, Sydney Brisbane etc all running out of water. Arctic ice melted by this year. ETC ETC ETC ETC. Pure BS and fraud. OC
Thanks mate. My fiery attitude comes from frustration in where I see the world heading. I have a degree in science and ecology and know the detrimental affects of a growing population. In fact it's just common sense. There are a huge range of issues you and others can research themselves re declining yields. Desertification, saline soils, acid sulfate soils, drying aquifers, drying rivers, development. Then there's the more controversial such as rising sea levels and changing weather patterns (don't anyone go attacking me on that, I'd rather you concentrate on the former list). Global population is increasing by about 80 million EXTRA people a year. This is very well documented. Australia is increasing by about 360k as you say mostly from immigration. We are horrendously over populated both globally and here in Australia; we're just ridiculously lucky that there is a lag in the destruction that we're causing. The next generations will not be so lucky. Theer is absolutely zero valid reason for Australia to continue populating.
I tend to agree with you that those particular individuals are sensationalist. However there are plenty of very real reasons we can't continue what we're doing. Here's what I just wrote in a post above. ..............................."I have a degree in science and ecology and know the detrimental affects of a growing population. In fact it's just common sense. There are a huge range of issues you and others can research themselves re declining yields. Desertification, saline soils, acid sulfate soils, drying aquifers, drying rivers, development (add a very big pest flora and fauna species I missed above). Then there's the more controversial such as rising sea levels and changing weather patterns (don't anyone go attacking me on that, I'd rather you concentrate on the former list). Global population is increasing by about 80 million EXTRA people a year. This is very well documented. Australia is increasing by about 360k as you say mostly from immigration. We are horrendously over populated both globally and here in Australia; we're just ridiculously lucky that there is a lag in the destruction that we're causing. The next generations will not be so lucky. Theer is absolutely zero valid reason for Australia to continue populating.".......................
The cred of the 'world of science' has suffered a fatal blow, and even the ones that remained silent must be blamed. The members of the Climate Science Unit in the University of East Anglia are now totally discredited. Population increase will have us all starving long before the rising water gets us. Malthus was RIGHT, he just did not know about computers and all the modern science and technology, but he will be vindicated eventually. OC
"Population increase will have us all starving long before the rising water gets us." Agree 100%. So what is it I've said you don't agree with?
This is now a Chicken and egg question. CO2 does NOT cause rising sea levels! or melting ice! 12 Billion by 2050, and 24 Billion by 2100, WILL be the problem. They call it exponential!
It won't get to 24 billion. The world is already starting to reject it, and that too is exponential. That's what these hairbrained socialists don't get. We are causing bigger problems with wealth distribution and globalisation. As I'm sure you know, a westerner uses multiples of the resources of a third world person. "CO2 does NOT cause rising sea levels! or melting ice!" Yes it does, but I don't want to argue about that issue, there are far more problems that are more imminent and detrimental than warming and sea rises. It was a big scam, I just haven't worked out how yet and who was to benefit, but you/we can be 100% certain it was...
I know one thing, The population of scientists who are making a living off climate change is going to half with a doubling of people that couldn't give a squirt about it! Scientists have not had a very good batting average over the years. It seems we live with flouridation which is a metal that is oh so safe, we hear about how fats are so bad for us and replace them with fructose and sucrose, we have the potential for immunisations being the possible cause for autism in some infants. The most eminent scientists used to think the world was flat not so long ago! But drug companies and the scientists they employ, and government and the scientists they employ seem to continue pushing a line of bullshit that just wont stick. It changes and they make changes to their theories, after lambasting us for years that they will be right. Frankly I now have as much faith in the scientific community as I have in lawyers and politicians. I for one have noticed that sea levels are rising. That is because the population is so large now and getting larger, and under their combined weight our land is sinking. Wait until 2050 for us to be completely under the water, but in the meantime give me a 30 year grant to ensure that it can be studied by me!
Yes, the climate scientists have probably done irreparable damage to the environmental cause as have those morons the Greens. There are very real environmental issues no one in bureaucracy wants to talk about because it doesn't suit their agenda. That's why I keep saying, we need to educate ourselves and don't trust anyone in government or business. They'll do anything to keep this gravy train going at the huge expense of our own kids. Population increase and asset sales are the biggest threat in Australia. It was ridiculous 10 years ago, now it's irreparable and will kill everything great about our country. It makes no sense.
"I for one have noticed that sea levels are rising." Hop on a plane and fly down to Port Arthur in Tasmania. Go across to the 'Isle of the Dead' and you will find a gouged mark on a rock at the sea shore. It marks the Mean Sea Level in, I think, 1841. It has not changed! OC
That's because it's so far south and less affected by the coriolis effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect). Just kidding. Why are you so much against this logical phenomena? You know I think the scientists that tried to scam Australia didn't mention that global warming (do you believe in that?) will increase the size of each water molecule in the ocean causing it to rise. A perfectly feasible concept. However, I say again, there are far bigger environmental issues we are not addressing. And besides, you will not stop the eventual entire use of fossil fuels no matter how high they tax it. The bigger problem is the high number of football oval size land clearing every day. See, they always address the wrong problem because it's a scam that takes money from you and me and gives it to other people. I'd guess it's them that gets the money, I just haven't worked out how.
I suppose the sarcasm smiley, if in place would have been good here. What I was trying to assert is that anyone can make a hypothesis nowadays that simply fits the problem case. They then work like mad to find any and all evidence that might support that problem case (discounting any evidence that doesn't), until they have scare mongered enough to get someone to give them money to "research" it. I was thinking perhaps the government can now fund my ridiculously lavish lifestyle whilst proving it one way or the other for the next thirty years! Seems anyone can jump on that train!
Big read, but no chance of drowning any time soon. http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...hve-U9OafUZ9nOSkg&sig2=vKsGEAr1fbdFVGYbDaAVag OC
"Why are you so much against this logical phenomena? You know I think the scientists that tried to scam Australia didn't mention that global warming (do you believe in that?) will increase the size of each water molecule in the ocean causing it to rise." The ENTIRE "global warming" thing IS a scam, pure fraud and bullshit! And the oceans are 12,000 feet deep on average, and the temperature below a few 100 feet never changes, it is too damned cold, as no light or heat penetrates!. To suggest that every molecule is going to expand is ridiculous! Sets off my BS Detector even! OC
"scare mongered enough to get someone to give them money to "research" it. "...............I think it's far more sinister than that. The Labor government wanted it. There was a reason, I'd love to know.
"the temperature below a few 100 feet never changes"...........Garbage.............. Off Peru there is upwelling caused by the surface temperature falling below the lower temperatures. This causes either el nino or la nina (can't remember). Changes in sea temperature make water shift from one place to another and pretty much run the whole planets weather system. Don't forget water at the poles are almost freezing while at the equator they warm. Stop kidding yourself.
