Why does money printing kill space programs?

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  1. CriticalSilver

    CriticalSilver New Member Silver Stacker

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    You would think that with all the money printed they would be building inter-planetary cruisers or something. Instead, we get the opportunity to feel really good listening to Commander Chris Hadfield on board the International Space Station singing David Bowie's "Space Oddity".

    As awesome as it is, there is a large dose of irony that his return is only possible on a Soyuz spacecraft, while the US Fed is buying up $85Billion in debt instruments a month.

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo[/youtube]
     
  2. TeaPot&ChopSticks

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    I remember watching on a documentary on National Geographic back in the day - say 5 to 10 years ago.

    That the MARS Society could get there for $54 Billion. And NASA for about $80 Billion on the cheap and $120 Billion the full whiz bang

    The founder of the MARS Society- Robert Zubrin was on Hard Talk BBC international.

    The presenter stated that it was such a waste of money and that it should be spent on humans living on the planet earth.

    Some people love that guy doing the song but frankly I have to agree with you Gino.

    Then again did we really ever land on the moon? Watch Jessie Ventura Conspiracy Theories. :/

    PS Sorry I cannot up load the video - I am a bit of a novice on the internets.
     
  3. bordsilver

    bordsilver Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but 100.00% guaranteed the moon landing happened. Also 100.00% guaranteed that people like Jessie make money from making their lies and misrepresentations believable enough to the gullible like the Nigerian scammers do.
     
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    hawkeye New Member Silver Stacker

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    If you want to watch a great discussion regarding the moon landings and possible conspiracy there was a great discussion about it on the Joe Rogan show when he had Neil DeGrasse Tyson on. The interview was 2 hours long but it was only the first 30 minutes or so. It's on youtube. The whole interview was worth listening to because it also talks about the true motivations of the space program and why it didn't go any further. hint: it wasn't about "great leap forward for mankind".

    Lots of other science geek stuff in the rest of the show too.
     
  5. hawkeye

    hawkeye New Member Silver Stacker

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    And don't rag on Jesse, his heart is in the right place, he's just a bit mixed up in the conspiracy world. atm I understand the allure because I was there for awhile too. Conspiracies generally have at least one grain of truth in them to lure people in.
     
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    bordsilver Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    :lol: Fair enough. Having your heart located anterior to the vertebral column and posterior to the sternum is a good thing. There are valid "grains of truth" but thinking there are any that mean the moon landing was fabricated just means his encephalization quotient is as low as a Maxillopodan. Bazinga!

    (Don't know if I've heard of Jessie before today.)
     
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    hawkeye New Member Silver Stacker

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    If you have a spare 2 and a half hours. :eek:

    Better than watching TV though, I promise. ;)

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qoa2jU1NVI[/youtube]
     
  8. bordsilver

    bordsilver Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Jeez, you have to sit through adverts about blenders and killer bee honey for ~4mins before it starts :/

    That guy is actually quite interesting (the guest, not the host). He'd make a great background talk show for nerds if he was with someone like Stefan Molyneux, Carl Sagan or Dr Karl. :)

    "If you're really successful at bullshitting then it means you're not hanging around people who are smarter than you" :lol:

    Only up to 50mins but it is seriously depressing listening to that Joe Rogan guy continually just churn out one rubbish conspiracy theory after another and then say "I understand and agree with what you're saying but I still see room for f**kery." :rolleyes:
     
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    Hawkeye - this is Joe Rogan that believes the universe is a computer stimulation. A complete mind **** if there ever was one.
    Reminds me of the movie the "13th Floor", universes with universes (this is pre matrix). Not happy about that one I tell yeah. :mad:
     
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    joes podcast just discusses interesting stuff.. The comp sim theory is just a new popular theory that is gaining traction and is just as beliveable as in theory you believe in..

    Not sure why all the hate.. Joe is open minded which IMO is only a good thing..

    I love the questions he asks in the man on the moon interview and quite frankly the guest sounds like he is peddling the orthodox mainline view til he dies.

    I'm not convinced about anything as that would imply I'm close minded to a new line of evidence or contrarian notions.. And a narrow minded dogmatic view of reality is the danger which you are faced with whe you buy into any one particular dogma or belief system.

    I won't shchitt on your ideas if you let me have mine.. That way we balance each other out and allow for a society of free thinkers.. Please don't stifle others from observing the reality they decipher..

    1for1
     
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    I don't see how you claim claim anything is How you see or believe it, by all means buy into an idea or a dream, but I can assure you what you think is not always empirically reality, there are degrees of truths and lies covered I. Truth, Jesse has far less to gained exposing a moon landing conspiracy then USA and the pub had in manufacturing one In the height of the Russian space race I the middle of the Cold War..

    Jesse isn't the smartest dude on the block and the showed is more discrediting to most of the conspiracies than otherwise but enough doubt remains for me to not close the book and say the jury is out. Too much about our reality is not as concrete as it appears.

    I have a camera exposure specialist Mate who has been analysing the footage for the last six months.. He is convinced there is a lot of misrepresentation in the distance shots supposedly showing the earth for far away.. Just one example of tricky which may or may not prove a complete hoaxed landing
     
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    You are free to have your ideas and I'm free to belittle moronic statements by believers in flying spaghetti monsters. As Neil Degasse says in the video, being open to new ideas and sceptical about what people present as evidence is completely different to able to discriminate between what is good evidence and what is illogical nonsense based on unfounded assertions. Some things are unknown/unknowable and people naturally hypothesise about the gaps. Hypothesising that there are air breathing mammals with feathers living 10km under the ocean in magical cities in the Mariana Trench doesn't fit any notion of known facts even if the non-existence of the city hasn't been "proven". It is simple illogical fantasy that may be fun to watch in cartoons but a waste of time otherwise.

    The science and achievement underpinning the moon landings including understanding the vast array of supporting infrastructure in Australia and Spain as well as other satellites sent towards the sun to provide a few minutes critical warning to the astronauts of solar flares so that they could roll the ship to (hopefully) survive the radiation storm is far, far more interesting than the random rubbish you find out that is spewed from the conspiracy theorists. The truth is really far more interesting when dealing with complex scientific things such as this.

    Edit: And in terms of the "benefit" to the US of hoaxing it, don't people think it would have been of even more benefit to Russia to debunk it? They had the technology to track the Apollo missions and get the signals. They also physically went to the moon and also got rock samples. Failure on either of these fronts would have been proof positive of a hoax and yet Russia said nothing. They said nothing because it happened and they knew it happened because they watched it happen themselves.
     
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    Do not hate Joe Rogan at all - just do not want to be an avatar to something or someones computer game.
     
  14. hawkeye

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    I don't know about whether it's what he thinks or not. I've seen it discussed. It is a possibility you know? I can give you a link to an academic paper. Not saying it is, just that we don't know.

    I thought it was a good discussion. They went through the facts. Joe was pointing out that there could be fake stuff, but that doesn't mean the moon landings themselves were faked. I don't see anything wrong with that position, it's actually the position I hold. Not that it matters to me if the were any lies regarding it. That happens all the time.

    I think he's a reasonably intelligent guy, the putting him self down thing is just self-deprecation. Not a rocket scientist by any stretch but compare him to most people in the media or even most you know in real life. He's interested in science stuff and it shows in the questions he asks.

    I enjoy listening to both these guys and I honestly don't get where the hate is coming from. The conversation was calm and reasoned, both sides gave each other the chance to talk, and it looked to me like they both enjoyed it overall.

    It's a pity we don't get more of that kind of behaviour in society.
     
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    hawkeye New Member Silver Stacker

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    Whether you want to be or not is irrelevant. Either you are or you aren't.

    It's like people saying they want silver to go up or down. It'll do what it's going to do regardless of what you want.
     
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    They move past the moon stuff and the rest is just science stuff. Degrasse has a very interesting perspective so if you're into that it's worth listening to.

    The last moon bit from memory is where Degrasse talks about the motivation for the US going to the moon. So you don't have to "endure" it further than that. Like I said, I think conversations about things like the Moon conspiracy are interesting and valuable to have. I liked the fact that he didn't let him get away with the pat line of "1000 scientists" and such.

    Here's some more bite-sized videos of him

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5n0jlW5DFY[/youtube]

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb5q_cxBU4I[/youtube]
     
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    What did you think about Degrasse's theory about the motivation for going to the moon? Assuming you got that far...
     
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    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGenk99YDwY[/youtube]
     
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    Do not know if we got to the moon - be nice if we did. Big achievement. If it was a big lie, it would stink. Yeah be a good thing if people were more critical in their thinking. Read the paper about the simulation Cosmos. At present we do not know. A forum like this is good because people are open to ideas. No worries.
     
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    Now that's what I'm talking about :D

    Very good (for nerds, that is - maybe too slow for conspiracy lovers). So many good topics and interesting ways of discussing things even if nearly zero new information.

    Edit: And Neil's discussion of the impact or non-impact of cell phones at ~53mins was good.
     

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