Why are we seeing SPOT and Physical spreads widen?

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  1. heartastack

    heartastack Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    It’s a shame you weren’t because a lot of the rhetoric is like the forum holding a 10 year time machine mirror to itself and it adds a fascinating dimension.
    Honestly you could swear 50% of the missing members have just showed up with new usernames
     
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    66rounds Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    If that's the case then can we hope for spot to do the same and plummet? I want more gold at $1200 USD
     
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    haha, I've a habit of going through old videos or articles.
     
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    I don't know but oil is having a contango situation also. No storage space. Storage space is a problem. Some drillers are giving it away free for anyone can come and collect it because it costs more to store it than give it away free. :D
     
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    66rounds Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Trump and Putin phone call today allegedly sought to fix that. Let's see what comes of it.
     
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    66rounds Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    His channel is a treasure trove, I always revisit his foundational videos over and over again.
     
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    On further thoughts, maybe cost of storage is the reason why silver is less desired than gold.
     
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    Ipv6Ready Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Came to naught, if there was even a glimmer of chance that Putin will think about it, Trump would have Twitted, Russia is shutting down production.
     
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    sgbuyer Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I don't see how they can resolve the oil oversupply situation until the coronavirus is defeated. In the meantime, Trump's approval rating has spiked to record highs. It will go even higher when the peak is over and antivirals, face masks and vaccines are produced over the next couple of weeks or months.

    There are plenty of ways to deal with "dumping". Tariffs are one way. But regardless of what happens to oil, Trump is going to win again so it's a losing proposition. You lose money and gain nothing in return.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
     
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    alor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    maybe Saudi got no oil, over 70 years their wells are dried. ???
     
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    America has been pumping 120 years and they producing 50% more than Saudis
     
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    yeah Saudi produces 2 barrels ; America produces 3 barrels, that 50% more
    Yemen oil is now OFF LIMIT to the Saudi
    funny when oil price is low due to lack of storage

    may be its true story, that gold price would get tanked again once more
    Southern Idaho just got a quake
     
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    yeah I’m on a 3rd floor apartment and it didn’t feel built for quakes! I felt a small tremor about 30 mins ago and I’m just waking up. It’s not a thing around here so just another reminder in these times how things can turn to crud pretty quickly lol
     
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    So the takeaway I get from this article is that there is no gold at the Comex. Am I reading it correctly?

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...pot-prices-far-below-us-futures-idUSKBN21B2PT

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    MARCH 25, 2020 / 3:38 AM / 10 DAYS AGO

    Gold supply fears push spot prices far below U.S. futures

    LONDON (Reuters) - London spot gold prices fell far below U.S. gold futures on Tuesday in a sign the market is worried air travel restrictions and precious metal refinery closures will hamper shipments of bullion to the United States to meet contractual requirements.

    The promise of unlimited stimulus by the U.S. Federal Reserve on Monday sent gold prices soaring, but London’s spot market has started lagging behind prices on the Comex futures exchange in New York.

    At 1516 GMT, spot gold was up 3% at around $1,600 an ounce, while March futures on the Comex exchange were up nearly 5% at $1,642 an ounce - a price difference of $42.


    These prices normally trade within a few dollars of one another. At one stage on Tuesday the difference was more than $70. On Monday, it was around $15.

    The higher New York price reflected the perceived cost of taking metal from London to deliver against Comex futures contracts in the United States, traders and bankers said.

    London is home to thousands of tonnes of gold which underpin the world’s largest hub for physical gold trading.


    But if physical gold from London is needed to deliver against Comex futures contracts it has to be melted down from the 400 ounce bars used in London and recast as 100 ounce bars accepted by Comex.

    This has suddenly become more difficult as governments restrict movement of people and goods and after three major metals refineries in Switzerland suspended operations on Monday.

    “People are worried about whether they can get the gold to deliver into the futures contracts,” said a bullion banker.

    The London Bullion Market Association (LBMA), which oversees the London trade, said price volatility in New York had impacted liquidity in London and it had “offered its support to CME Group to facilitate physical delivery in New York.”


    CME Group operates the Comex exchange.

    Liquidity on spot gold and the contract used to bridge the London and New York prices - known as an exchange-for-physical (EFP) contract - was in short supply, traders said.

    The spread between offered buy and sell prices for spot gold - normally below 50 cents - also rose to as high as $50 on some trading platforms run by banks and brokers on Tuesday, traders said.

    One banker said this was in part because trading systems factored the price of the EFP contract into the spread between bids and offers.

    The difference between spot prices and U.S. futures was likely to remain in place until either refineries reopened and transport resumed or Comex changed its rules to allow 400 ounce bars to be used to settle its contracts, said a banker at a major gold-trading bank.

    “There’s plenty of gold,” the banker said. “But it’s immobilized.”
     
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    Plenty of YouTube analysis on this topic. Reports of bullion banks folding due to the costs of having to pay premiums for non-delivery of gold when contracts were redeemed instead of being rolled over like normal.
     
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    Can you name 1 bullion bank that folded
     
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    I know of at least one that was reported as having gone under. I will do my best to find the name and report
     

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