Who's made their decisions on the election?

fiatphoney · Sep 6, 2013

I was going to do my usual informal donkey, but if lib are deadset to win, an antagonist vote to palmer to rattle their cage might be more appropriate - seeing the media hate him so much as well.

Revils · Sep 6, 2013

Vote Greens - they'll stop mining AND build solar plants
Your silver will go
to
the
M00N

col0016 · Sep 6, 2013

I just watched one of Palmer's interviews... It concerns me that he makes more sense than Rudd and Abbott :/

wrcmad · Sep 6, 2013

Revils said:

Vote Greens - they'll stop mining AND build solar plants
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I'd rather pass a 1oz kidney stone.

metalzzz · Sep 6, 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88deEGm-uVE

this is the interview that had me pissing myself, geez he put Karl in his place at one point.

doomsday surprise · Sep 6, 2013

metalzzz said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88deEGm-uVE

this is the interview that had me pissing myself, geez he put Karl in his place at one point.
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Not a fan of Clive but he did put that smug pinhead Karl in his place. Not often you see Karl lost for words but he had nothing to say.

col0016 · Sep 6, 2013

metalzzz said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88deEGm-uVE

this is the interview that had me pissing myself, geez he put Karl in his place at one point.
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"I don't have an agenda!" Of course not Karl, that's why you only talk about about personal issues and refused to be dragged down to talk about economic issues lol.

Old Codger · Sep 7, 2013

VOTED!

I feel better already!

OC

Old Codger · Sep 7, 2013

Funny thing, probably an aberration, but we were there at 5 to 8 and the queue was 100 yards long. I thought I saw an Aussie, but was told "don't be silly OC" by the boss.

The helpers were handing out the cards and hardly anyone was taking the ALP cards, and most had Liberal ones in their hands. The lady in front of us was like minded "capitalist warmonger" too.

And all that in LALOR!

Can I hope and dream?

OC

Kawa · Sep 7, 2013

I'm voting for Clive Palmer.

boston · Sep 7, 2013

Old Codger said:

Funny thing, probably an aberration, but we were there at 5 to 8 and the queue was 100 yards long. I thought I saw an Aussie, but was told "don't be silly OC" by the boss.

The helpers were handing out the cards and hardly anyone was taking the ALP cards, and most had Liberal ones in their hands. The lady in front of us was like minded "capitalist warmonger" too.

And all that in LALOR!

Can I hope and dream?

OC
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Lalor?? Isn't that Gillards seat?

Old Codger · Sep 7, 2013

Was!

Earthjade · Sep 7, 2013

Voted this morning, don't care who knows.

Informal for the House of Reps and Pirate Party for the Senate.
Freedom of information is an extremely important issue for me, but I realise my vote was a de-facto Greens vote.
Still, on general principle, it is desirable that the government of the day never hold the balance of power in the Senate.

Old Codger · Sep 7, 2013

Now I know why they call it the "Donkey Vote".

Yippe-Ki-Ya · Sep 7, 2013

2ds said:

Results not typical said:

The Liberals are a cohesive, mature party. Labor is not really a party, it is a group of factions clawing for control of available turf. That is enough for me.
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That's hilarious, after Howard gutted the party.... Libs are exactly in this position, Howard removed anyone who dissented with him and left behind a sick party unable to think for its self without their glorious leader. Their losses at the last two elections had little to do with Kevin or Julia being good candidates and everything to do with the fact that they weren't a real party, just a group of factions clawing for control of available turf.

Sure the libs have had a couple of years to pick themselves up but they and labour are in very similar positions, the libs are just a bit father along the path to recovery.

I'm voting below the line, the only thing I haven't decided yet is if i put the libs or labour last.
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I'm guessing you've been in la-la land for the past 6 years then mate :lol:

Yippe-Ki-Ya · Sep 7, 2013

MyNamesNotBen said:

TheEnd said:

I'm dead serious....................And carbon tax is a rip off!
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Well it will certainly be interesting to see how much power prices rise go down when the libs get elected and abolish the carbon tax that is actually already gone! Im sure the $5 a week the average family will save without a carbon tax will make such a huge difference Just don't go getting your hopes up too much mate; Australia is screwed regardless of who wins and its the population as a whole's fault more so than the governments.
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are you completely insane or just partially??

Yippe-Ki-Ya · Sep 7, 2013

hiho said:

Family First
Lib Dems
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Curious combo there mate!

Family First are moderate socialists - similar to the Liberal Party.

Lib Dems are the Liberal Democrats, or Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) - a distinctly libertarian party - unlike any other in Australia, and the closest thing to Ron Paul we have in Australia.

hardly worthwhile of even fitting to even mention them in the same breath

Yippe-Ki-Ya · Sep 7, 2013

JulieW said:

Both are the same party in most matters and they've lied their heads off during this campaign - Libs more than Lab since they really want to get in - but that is insignificant. Both throw up rhetoric that doesn't match their obvious intentions.

Since they differ so little I'm going for an 'issue'.

This has more potential to screw over Australia than anything either of those clowns do - sink the boats or fill roofs with pink batts.

This is the closest we have to an option to a vote against the military industrial complex and its fascist globalisation in my opinion.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/trade-talks/4689004

The latest round of negotiations for the controversial Trans Pacific Partnership starts today in Lima, Peru. The TPP is a multinational trade deal involving 12 countries, including the US and Australia, and if finalised it will account for 40 per cent of the global economy. Cathy Van Extel reports that the outcome of the Australian federal election is likely to have a big impact on the terms of the deal.

The latest round of negotiations for the controversial Trans Pacific Partnership is kicking off in the Peruvian capital of Lima today.

The TPP is a multinational trade deal involving 12 countries including the US and Australia. If finalised it'll account for 40 per cent of the global economy.

The trade talks are heavily shrouded in secrecyand critics are concerned the TPP will benefit multinational corporations at the expense of existing labour and social protections.

The US has been pushing for an agreement by October this year and the Australian federal election is likely to have a big impact on the terms of the major trade deal. The wide ranging trade deal has been under negotiation since 2010 behind closed doors, and that's a worry for critics like Jane Kelsey, professor of law from the University of Auckland and an activist academic. She says it's being rushed through with no public scrutiny.

Australia has been a beacon of good sense. As I understand it, a number of other countries would really like to follow suit if they thought they had the leverage to negotiate that position with the US.
Jane Kelsey

'There's going to be a huge amount of political pressure brought to bear on the negotiators in this round because they have set an informal deadline for signing a deal, or at least something, at the APEC leaders' meeting in Bali in October,' Professor Kelsey says. 'However, the negotiations are still stuck on a number of key points and so there will be quite a bit of public posturing and quite a lot of pressure behind the scenes.'

The TPP involves the US, Canada, Chile, Mexico, Peru, Australia, New Zealand, Brunei, Malaysia, Singapore and Vietnam. Japan has recently asked to joinalthough it won't sit at the negotiating table until the next round of talks in July. Notably, China has not been invited.

One of the key sticking points is Australia's opposition to the US push for an investor-state dispute settlement clause.

An investor-state dispute settlement clause gives a multinational company which believes its investment has been harmed by a government decision the right to sue a state in an international arbitration tribunalwhich would have the power to overrule local laws.

In recent years these arbitration tribunals have broadened the range of potential claims that can be made against a state and this has led to a rapid increase of investor interest in this form of dispute settlement. Multinationals can now sue states for damages if legislative changes may make their profits lower than expected.

Critics are also concerned that arbitrations are carried out in secret by trade lawyers who earn income from the parties and are not accountable to the public or required to take into account broader constitutional and international law human rights norms. Under the TPP it's proposed tribunal hearings would be held in public.

In 2011 the Australian government issued a new trade policy, in which it ruled out supporting such clauses, arguing they ran the risk of giving foreign business greater legal rights than domestic businesses (who must operate within local law).

For Australia, it's an issue of national sovereignty. The federal government argues investor state dispute provisions infringe on a government's right to legislate. A case in point is tobacco company Philip Morris's legal case against Australia's plain cigarette packaging legislation. After losing a High Court challenge here the company moved its Australian headquarters to Hong Kong and is continuing the legal battle under the terms of a 20-year-old AustraliaHong Kong investment treaty which included an investor-state dispute provision.

But while Australia is fighting to preserve its right to make laws on social, environmental and economic matters, New Zealand has been critical of the Australian stand.

'Really it comes down here to if we can get a whiff of getting a slab of butter into the US dairy market the government will give up almost anything, including the rights of investors to sue, and we suspect erosion of our equivalent of your pharmaceutical benefit scheme,' Professors Kelsey says of her country's government. 'Australia has been a beacon of good sense. As I understand it, a number of other countries would really like to follow suit if they thought they had the leverage to negotiate that position with the US.'

But Australia's position could change if the Coalition wins the September 14 federal election. Opposition trade spokeswoman Julie Bishop has said the Coalition will, as a matter of course in trade talks, put investor-state dispute settlement clauses on the negotiating table and negotiate provisions on a case-by-case basis.

Professor Kelsey says there are many examples of multinational companies undermining national sovereignty via investor-state dispute provisions, and any change in the Australian position would be significant.

'Indeed in Lima during the rounds there will be a large amount of focus on a particularly notorious mining case that has dragged now through the investment tribunals for a number of yearswhere indigenous peoples and the environment in Peru are being traded off potentially against the rights of the mining companies. So they are very sound reasons for us frustrated to stick to its position, as even your productivity commission concluded several years ago.'

The timing is awkward with the federal election in September 14if there is a change of government it will collide with the October dates for resolution on this TPP. But Professor Kelsey says that's unlikely to slow the US down.

'I'd be very surprised if US trade representative is not already having the cash discussions with your opposition trade spokespeople, and that [they] have something lined up ready to roll out immediately after the election should they win,' she says.

'The timing of the September round, which would be the last round before TPP leaders meet in October, will therefore be crucial. If that round occurs after the election there will be a real risk that a new Australian government would concede the position on investor-state disputes at that stage and that would run against the kind of rethinking that a range of other countries are now saying is sensible; India, Korea, Brazil, South Africa have all be making noises about the need to re-evaluate any existing commitments of this kind.'

Another contentious issue under negotiation is intellectual property and copyright, which could have far-reaching impacts on Australia's pharmaceutical benefits scheme, and access to material on the internet.

Electronic Frontiers Australia, which represents internet users, says while the trade talks are being kept secret, there's concern US corporations are pushing a well known agenda for heavy restrictions and criminal sanctions.

'Many of those controls already exist but we are certainly seeing attempts to criminalise acts which we would argue probably don't deserve criminal sanctions,' EFA's CEO John Lawrence says. 'The general thrust of these things does really hamper innovation and development of content outside the US.'

Mr Lawrence says that while Australia has its own well balanced review of copyright underway, the TPP has the ability to override and scupper that process.

'Things like TPP (which of course the negotiation's secret), have the potential to stop any reform there, or constrain any reform, that Australia as a sovereign entity may choose to take.'
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Libs are for. Labs are against. Settles my vote, so this time the donkey loses!
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lol - so you're voting ALP - much like Errol and some of the other Labor loving "deniers" on here

Yippe-Ki-Ya · Sep 7, 2013

KMGeneral said:

Honestly, I can't stand Tony, he's creepy. Very creepy.

If Malcolm Turnbull was the leader of the Libs, and they abandoned their crappy NBN plans then I'd vote for them. Failing that... *sigh* options are slim.
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it's thanks to numnutz like you that Australia has had 6 years of commie rule with its associated increase in taxes, lowering of standards of living and loss of personal liberties.

keep doing the same thing you've always done and then expect a different result = definition of insanity = vote for the ALP or Greens

Yippe-Ki-Ya · Sep 7, 2013

bordsilver said:

Wish we still had the Workers Party. Was probably even better than the LDP.
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I highly doubt that!

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