Who owns the world? The hidden facts behind land ownership

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  1. nonrecourse

    nonrecourse Well-Known Member

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    I would strongly recommend the book Who owns the world? The hidden facts behind land ownership by Kevin Cahill ISBN 1 84596 158 7

    http://books.google.com.au/books/about/Who_owns_the_world.html?id=WEWFAAAAIAAJ

    This book looks at land ownership in 191 countries and 41 territories. The first half of the book gives you an amazing history about land ownership. For example there was 7,313,800 homes or dwellings in Australia in 2003.

    Of this 2,796,900 have no mortgage.

    2,350,500 are mortgaged home owner occupied.

    2,001,400 are rented

    The state owns 363,200 dwellings

    1,536,300 are in the hands of private landlords ans 202,000 are other landlords. The private holdership level is 41.2%
     
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    It's different here.
    :)
     
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    Jislizard Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Nope, exactly the same, the Queen owns it all!
     
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    I thought it was the Vatican
     
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    Thanks non-recourse I read that a few years ago, its a good book, might re-read it.

    Reminds me of how we really only have feudal title here, not alloidal title.
     
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    Thanks.

    This is why I am getting a house boat and living on the high seas.
     
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    . . . and will lose it all in a terrible boating accident :(
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Quite uncomfortable living on the high seas in a house boat. Better off finding a small estuary or protected bay in which to anchor, unfortunately, any long term habitation attracts the attention of local authorities brandishing Legislative documents outlining your illegal presence.
     
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    That is why if ever it looks like we switch from the monarchy to a republic the blow torch needs to be on a genuine alloidal land rights debate.

    Why ? because our potential new masters will scream and kick when they are exposed for what they really represent. A grubby bunch of oligarchs intent only on transferring control from a benign despot to a cabal of megalomaniacs.

    Real property ownership would unshackle the yolk of servitude.

    Regards
    non recourse
     
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    "Nope, exactly the same, the Queen owns it all!"


    Not quite, in 1788 'The Crown' owned it all, after Gov Phillip claimed possession in the Kings name (Terra Nullius not withstanding). I believe this was to give a 'starting point' to land ownership, and from that day on it was 'granted' or sold to 'the people'.

    From that transaction on, it changed ownership according to sale transactions via Deeds of Ownership and then Torrens Title. Income from sales did NOT go the the King "The Crown", it went into the governments coffers.


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    Freehold is a misnomer in this country.
     
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    boneyard,


    "This is why I am getting a house boat and living on the high seas."


    During our 'grey nomad' days around OZ, we came a cross a retired couple with a 4WD and a ~30 foot sailing vessel hooked up. They were following the coast around 'The Big One'. living in it and putting it in the water whenever they felt like it.


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    Who cares? The government can resume your land whenever it wants regardless of the type of land. Always has, always will
     
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    Old Codger Active Member Silver Stacker

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    "Who cares? The government can resume your land whenever it wants regardless of the type of land. Always has, always will"


    Yep! on "just terms".

    Section 51 (xxxi)

    .....same with that truck load of silver you have.


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    While I was always aware that any mineral & energy resources discovered under freehold property were retained as the property of the Commonwealth ("for the benefit of all Australians"). It has recently been made aware to me that 'forestry resources' (Timber & Quarry Rock) have been included as crown property, even on so-called 'freehold' land.

    Info is sketchy (I'm happy for anyone to weigh-in and help), but it seems older freehold titles are exempt however newer (post early-1980's) that get transferred into a new name, now fall under this new regime.

    This means that the forestry dept. (or equivalent) can notify you that a quarry or timber getting operation IS going to start on your land... and (short of repairing fences etc.) I'm not sure if any compensation is due to the landholder.

    Freehold my @r$e !!!
     
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    And everyone who votes supports this licensed theft
     
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    I will need a link to the "Forestry and Quarry" bit.

    ....and in the olden days the land-owner owned all minerals down to 50 feet. At 51 feet it belonged to "the crown" (the government). No idea what it is now.


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    I was informed about this freehold situation by a Forestry Officer but he couldn't give me specific details, which is why I'm suspicious and went hunting... all I could find in the Legislation that might cover it is a Freehold Lease where the owner is paying off the property like a mortgage... but until it is fully paid they (the crown) may still have access right.

    https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/CURRENT/L/LandA94.pdf

    There's been no 50ft rule since I've been working...(or 6inches down which is another version). By law landowners must allow for exploration of minerals and energy resources by private companies once exploration rights have been granted by the state. This even goes for urban freehold tenure as many Gympie & Charters Towers residents discovered during the late 1980's gold rush (when they had drilling rigs in their back and even side yards). Current Coal Seam Gas explorers are drilling less than 1000 metres from residences now and getting closer.

    Generally I've never had any problems as most grazing owners are anxious to be bought out, though I have had colleagues tell me about recalcitrant property owners. It generally gets resolved by letters from the state attorney General's office
     

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