Which Democrats will be up against Trump

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  1. Calendyr

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    My views are very simple. I think that people should be left to their own things except for the following that should be the responsibility of the governement:
    - Military, defense and police: Leaving these to the individuals would lead to chaos and invasion.
    - Education: When you leave education in the hands of the public, it leads to what happened in the USA where schools are putting people in economic slavery for most of their lives through insane loans they are forced to take.
    - Health: everyone should be able to get medical help without having to worry about going bankrupt.
    - Public services such as roads, powergrid, water, etc: Left in the hands in companies this could lead to serious problems.

    For everything else, I am for a free market... a true one, not like the one we have now where banks are bailed out when they make stupid gambles. If a company can't survive, let it die. The more effective companies with soak up the clients and employees and the whole will improve.

    My politics are right of center. I am just not a far right guy like most republicans. I am not a leftist either because I think in general the government is very ineffective at doing anything. It always cost more and is done slower because of all the bureaucracy. The items I think the government should handle are for reason of it being impossible to do it in private hands and be fair to the population.

    I am curious to see what your views are in general. This is a good debate, I love it.
     
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    Wow, the guy raises a great point about trees!!! I had never thought of that!

    I completely agree with your position on Sanders. Here in Canada he would be a conservative far right. It's just that in the US, center is considered left and everything is on the right where the DMC is right of center and Republicans are far right.
     
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    Agreed. So what suggestion would you make? Say you are paid 8$ an hour right now, have no skills to get a better job. How can one improve your situation?

    Of course you could get new skills and get a better job, but that job you left will be filled by someone else who will have the same issue. And the job is needed.

    So what's the solution?

    Increasing wages my not be perfect, but i have not heard a better solution yet for those who are extremely poor despite working full time.
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    You answered your own question:

    As long as the price for labour is less than the improvement in productivity every extra hour of labour brings, then there will always be jobs for the unskilled. We need to decrease wages by removing the artificial price floor that renders our unskilled unemployable.
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    No time to address all of your points, yet.

    Not all information is propaganda. I don't read the news for a start, but I've read widely enough and have a workable enough knowledge of economic theory to be able to recognise fallacies and bullshit.

    Socialism is Marx's first step toward communism. Socialism is the ownership of the means of production by the State. Communism is the absence of ownership of the means of production. I won't address communism.

    The problem with socialism is that it removes the profit incentive and as you've alluded to with your comment about "taking on fields where they are simply inept", under a socialist system there is a lack of price signals.

    The profit incentive rewards entrepreneurs who seek to meet the needs and desires of consumers. The production of consumer goods must be held privately in order for entrepreneurs to be incentivised. Price signals occur when producers of goods react to demand for their product by raising/lowering prices and increasing/decreasing supply. An absence of price signalling leads to waste and unfulfilled consumer needs and desires.

    It doesn't work though.

    Yep. That's why I don't favour governments going guarantor for financial institutions. This includes nationalising the banking industry by providing cheap lines of credit to people who cannot afford to repay loans which is Sander's plan.

    That'll do for now.
     
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    Hard to say but at a guess prob
    (Not in any order or spelled right )
    Biden
    Warren
    Sanders
     
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    Sry my bad buttigieg or Warren
     
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    Sanders wins bigly in Nevada. :eek: Warren's bashing of Bloomberg did not help her much it seems.

    edit. Super Tuesday will be on March 3, 2020 - Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, and Virginia will all hold their presidential primaries on that date.

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    Day to day business in every other country my freckled butt. We stop the boats here and don't give a pathway to citizenship for illegals.
    Also, no "free college" here, just low interest student loans.
     
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    The federal government has made everything unaffordable through inflation and subsidies.
    Why would you think they can or would want to fix the problem they created?
    And why would you trust them to fix it?

    We dont need more socialism. We already have plenty.
     
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    Yes every problem that has been discussed here has been government caused.
     
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    Supposedly it also favours those who are overseas right?
    i.e. It's not a one-way street.
     
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    Fixed it for ya. :D

    Yep. And by benefitting foreign markets it drives the wealth of those individuals up as well, which has a correlated effect on their desire and capacity to meet their needs and wants, ie they're brought into the middle-class with all the same consumer needs as we have, they want cars, they want better food, they want music, they want education, they want holidays, they want a better environment, they want safety, they want property rights, they want political power and economic power, they want a more peaceful life etc etc. In other words they want to throw off the shackles of living a barbaric life and embrace a more cultured one. This process enhances wealth and hopefully security for all.

    Every extra $1 earned in Bangla Desh is an extra $1 available on the global market. If we erect barriers to free-trade on the global market we shut ourselves off from some of that available wealth. If you've ever run a small business you'll understand that there's more opportunity to make money being a small fish in a big sea than a big fish in a small pond.
     
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    I would have preferred the other side to remain poor so that western countries would continue to maintain their demographics. :p
     
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    If you had a time machine and could turn back history to the stage at which you consider society to best reflect your values, you'd also have to accept the opportunity cost involved.

    We'd probably still be driving Kingswoods, @sammysilver's SHTF pantry would be stocked with Carnation milk and spam and life expectancy would be in the mid-60's. ;)
     
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    ^^ Sounds good to me, especially when you add there is no reality TV or social media.
     
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    Shit, It's true! Carnation milk sandwiches and all!
     
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    There's something to be said for doing a "Skyhooks...and Liv'in the 70's". Didn't need a computer to tell you whats wrong with the car and with a Haynes manual could most Dad's could fix anything in the caravan park short of an engine rebuild . Got to love that Carnation milk powder....added to Deb Instant Mash, highlight of the Sunday lamb roast post watching "BA Santamaria's "Point of View" Sunday am. Not living so long, bit of a downside, but you did get any inheritance earlier! ;)
     
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    bring it. :cool:

     
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