Which Democrats will be up against Trump

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  1. JulieW

    JulieW Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Here's a bit of idle speculation.

    Who will the (oops, HAVE), the Democrats have as the Ticket to Trounce Trump.

    Starting with the most frightening: A Bannon prediction. Reiterated by Zero Hedge.

    In another classic Drudge Report scoop that is bound to dominate the Democratic Primary news cycle from now until South Carolina and Nevada, the conservative-leaning aggregator reports that Mike Bloomberg is considering Hillary Clinton as a potential running mate.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bloomberg-considers-hillary-running-mate
    ....

    And here is what Bannon said:

    REGAN: Let me turn to 2020. Let me turn to the Democrats. Bloomberg's now in on the mix. By the way, just to remind the viewers, this is the guy that broke the news here. Watch.

    BANNON: They will throw Biden away. They'll throw Biden away to get to Trump and hope Elizabeth Warren or I even think Hillary Clinton or Bloomberg or some centrist comes in here. All these other people that could have been the centrist candidate for whatever reason haven't materialize. And that leaves a huge opportunity for two people, I believe, Michael Bloomberg and Hillary Clinton.

    It should make anyone nervous having Hillary just "one heartbeat away.......


     
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    sammysilver Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Bloomberg and Hilary run and win. Bloomberg commits suicide/has heart attack or accident.
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Haha oh man. So scary.
     
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    Unless the Democratic party manages to sabotage Bernie Sanders this time around once more, he will win.

    What I find really amusing about this race is that the conservatives consider him far left, basically a communist.

    His politics are middle right, he is a capitalist that wants a social net for the people (Health care, living wage).

    In Canada he would be considered on the right, because his politics are far less socialist than the system we
    already have in place.

    So ask yourself this question: Do you consider Canada to be a communist country? If not, you don't have to fear
    Bernie Sanders ;)
     
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    You are probably right. Bloomberg is a plant from the DMC to prevent Sanders from getting the nomination. They will do everything they can to cheat and push him to the front. Since the DMC basicly bellongs to the Clintons, I would not be surprised at all that Hillary would be chosen as a running mate and end up with the presidency if they win.

    Corruption in american politics is so rampant that it's surprising there has not been an uprising yet.
     
  7. Ipv6Ready

    Ipv6Ready Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    If it is Bernie, Trump will win in a landslide because what Bernie is proposing is ridiculous increase in taxes or social reforms (for America)

    if it is a middle road Democrat than it’s a toss of coin
     
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    I think you should stop listening to the conservative propaganda. That is one major problem in the USA, not a single tv station or news network is unbiassed and give actual information. They are either propaganda for the left or propaganda for the right. You guys are getting brainwashed by what ever side you are on.

    What Sanders is proposing is what is day to day business in every other country:

    Federal Medicare: The right not to go bankrupt if you become sick. Not having to fight your private insurance company if you need medical treatments... because in the end, they are there to make money, not keep you in good health.

    The tax modifications he wants to implement would only affect millionaires and billionaires. For 95% of the population it would not cost more. People like Warren Buffet have supported this in the past years. It makes no sense that people with a lot more money pay a lot less taxes than the rest of the population. I am against all taxation, but since every country want their military and their police force, and need to provide education, roads, water and all sorts of services, we don't have much choice to pay them.

    The third aspect of his program is to raise minimum wage to 15$/h. This might be a bit high, but right now many people who work 40h/week cannot afford the basic necessities. That makes even less sense. Also, you guys have the food stamp program which a large part of the population depends on to survive. That means the government is paying a part of their salary. If you are a capitalist, would you not say that every company should be responsible for paying their employes enough to make a living?

    Try to look at both arguments before just saying that one guy is proposing insane things.
     
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    Soros has already decided on the CIA's Buttigieg.
     
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    You need to go back to school and learn what capitalism is. :rolleyes:

    There is nothing middle-of-the-road about him. Sanders is an out-and-out leftie. As is Warren. His intention is to redistribute wealth from the productive to the non-productive without consideration for the market.

    The best chance the Democrats have is Biden because he has the broadest appeal. And he's been there before. And not won. And he won't win again. So they may as well toss their cards in now. And a vote for Trump is for a vote in minimising collateral damage.
     
  11. Ipv6Ready

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    Sanders isn't a magician, Simple economics

    To have a status quo on taxes, if X service is new -> than Y services have to be cut or Taxes must increase

    What happens in USA today isn't something any developed nation do, run a deficit without national medical system.

    If Canada/Australia/Japan/Korea spent per capita on Military or Research ie NASA like USA, the options for Canada/Australia/Japan/Korea is to cut services like health services or increase taxes.

    Maybe cut military spending -> what will ex military personal or sacked contractors who are no longer employed do?

    Do some critical thinking, stop listening to propaganda yourself (left, middle and right media all have agendas) and ask how will Sanders pay for Universal Healthcare in America, he said it himself increase taxes so how much?

    Note: If Sanders confiscated 70% of wealth owned by top 5,000 individuals to pay for it it will last about 6 months. Add
     
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    Biden should win, so he can screw all American (again)
     
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    I love these Democratic primary caucuses and campaign rallies and CNN town halls. It's so cute that they are going to so much effort to choose the candidate that will lose to Donald Trump.
     
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    Bernie praising Communist Soviet Union... even if the clip is very old, this is not how a "middle/centrist" person would describe it. Anyone with half a brain cell could see what was going on in USSR. But again, it's little wonder Bernie's staff are fantasizing about gulags for the "rich" after Bernie wins.
    https://twitter.com/shmeze/status/1229075402037039104

    bonus Bernie clip https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/1229203926655868929

    Meanwhile... https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1229204331112603649
     
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    For those who were old enough in 1972 (or are students of US political history), the Dem establishment lost the battle to stop Sen George McGovern from getting the Dem nomination for the 1972 Presidential election. McGovern from a political stance was a lot more "left leaning / liberal" than the more centrists in the Democratic party past and current in 1972.

    In 1972, Nixon the incumbent wasn't the toast of US establishment. In 1968 Nixon squeaked in with 500k (31.7m to 31.2m) more votes than Humphrey in a three candidate race with George Wallace picking up circa 9.0m votes in that election. Nixon won circa 301 electoral college votes in 1968.

    Nixon inherited an economy not so strong from LBJ, Vietnam, political issues re the USSR and a changing society re values and views as the baby boomers came of age and starting wanting change etc etc.

    In mid 1972, the US economy picked up (with some pump priming from a Nixon expansionary budget), with decent growth levels, unemployment levels of circa 5% and some foreign affairs wins re China and USSR.

    At the 1972 Presidential Election between Nixon and McGovern, Nixon smashed McGovern 47m to 29m in the popular votes with 520 to 17 (one state only won by McGovern) electoral college votes.



    Fast forward to 2020....The Dem's will do their best to nobble Bernie but he stands a good chance of getting the nomination due to sheer weight of votes he's likely to pick up in the Dem Primary's unless the Dem's pull a swifty on him.....again. The "Dem Super Delegates" totaling 775 votes (circa 16% of the total votes for Dem nominee) could tip the scales and most including the party heavyweights are non committal as yet.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2020_Democratic_Party_automatic_delegates

    The Dem's, the establishment and most of the media hate DJT. DJT lost the popular vote by a few million in 2016 but won 307 electoral college votes to take the White House.

    DJT also inherited a not so strong economy from Obama, the Middle East wars /conflicts, North Korea.......Russia if you believe the media and once again a changing society re values and views as Gen Y's / Millennials came of age . active and starting wanting change etc etc.

    By early 2020, the US economy from a pure statistic point of view was going well with record low levels of unemployment, wage growth due to increased employment and tax cuts, pump priming from DJT with expansionary budgets and some political wins with USMCA (replacing NAFTA), keeping a lid on North Korea (no Kim in the press for a while), better trade deals with China, moving the US embassy to Jerusalem and he's building the wall etc.


    So, given some of the similarities to 1972, if the Dem's (against their collective elitist wills and efforts) and I use the term "are forced" to pick Bernie (the most left leaning candidate since McGovern) who DJT will portray as the next Mao or Stalin......will it be a landslide win to Trump in Nov 2020 similar to Nixon's win over the last leftie liberal (McGovern) in 1972?

    I think yes and the "Anyone But Bernie" forces fear a 1972 repeat of 1972 and will out do their efforts of 2016 to ensure Bernie doesn't get the nomination. Biden is damaged goods, Warren is too easy a target for DJT, Pete B is a small town SJW, media created flash in the pan and the rest except for that unknown factor Mike Bloomberg are just making up the numbers. Not sure what the Dem's hope to achieve via Bloomberg apart from his cash splash as he's got some not so nice baggage (ie Stop and Frisk and his comments re farmers the other day won't be forgotten soon).....so, I still can't help thinking that the real Dem nominee hasn't shown themselves yet....assuming Bernie keeps up the pace and a solid rate of primary wins and thus the Dem's pull that swifty and use super delegate votes and anti Bernie votes to bring in a smokey at the convention.
     
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    JulieW Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    History repeats.




    Wallace was replaced by Truman, who was a stain on humanity, and now we are ruled by the US Military Industrial Complex, where elections are no more than deceitful distractions and the average citizen has no idea of how their lives and futures are controlled.

    It could have been different. No Truman. No bomb. No militarism. A true republic, not the faintly disguised fascist state that currently rules.
     
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    ^^^^
    Interesting bit of history that.
     
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    The chapter dealing with it in Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States is even more explicit. The DNC closed down the convention seconds before the vote that would have secured the nomination for Wallace. Overnight the bully boys and party bosses got to work and the next day Wallace was gone and Truman had the nomination. It was effectively like Keating being replaced by Shorten, or Howard being replaced by Joyce. From that moment on the Democrats hurtled towards the Right and America moved towards its current calamity.
     
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    I suppose the culture and activities of the old Tammany Hall just got moved into the wider DNC in the 1930's.
     
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    both of your posts in this thread are absolutely absurd. You need to actually look at what he’s saying. People have run the numbers and to implement what he wants would mean at least a doubling of the US budget if not a tripling. A figure put out this week had it at 97.5trillion in additional spending over the next decade. 75% of the US GDP would be government spending. His policies would be so far to the left of Canada it’s not funny.

    you need to also go take a basic economics class.
     
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