What do penalty rates mean to you?

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  1. Ag bullet

    Ag bullet Well-Known Member

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    yep. it has come full circle. there was a time when labour was in demand and you could name your price. now the employer names the price and there is more competition for the job. suck it up and get on with it. smart people recognize the good times and put away a few acorns for the winter.
     
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    @Shaddam IV: This was evident over in WA last year. Plenty of people in the early stages of hard times, high wage mining industry workers or service providers to them losing their jobs, renting their homes and moving in with relatives, slowly going under. CBD Perth quite deserted in the evening.

    Property prices grinding indolently lower, death of a thousand cuts. About three years ago, the most insanely high wages in my field were in WA, now slim pickings indeed.

    Queensland seems to be thriving though, at least in some areas of the south east. State debt is a medium term influence on the Sunshine State's credit rating though.
     
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    "rather it's about enhancing the wealth of individuals"

    Yes...those Business owners skimming and not paying tax who are crying poor! "Really" How long have you been in business? lol

    Pay your tax and stop skimming!

    Have you always paid every tax dollar? BS artist!
     
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    Some people will miss out with reduction of penalties in main areas, But look at all the shops and cafes that doesn't open on Sundays today, that might get open in the future.
     
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    In the health district where I live a bunch of doctors from one year thought they'd trick the system by quitting for a few months before taking on promised roles for the next year. The hospitals didn't expect this sudden loss of staff so they ended up paying people to work extra shifts or leave higher skilled professions to offer assistance at greatly increased rates. It caused huge tensions because people good enough to not pull this stunt were working alongside people being paid triple what they were for the same role.

    I think you could employ people for just weekends or after hours but you're not going to get them for the same rate or, likely, even the same rate you would have paid in royalties regardless. Who is going to sign up for Fri, Sat, Sun nights permanently without a serious carrot in their face?
     
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    The Sunday penalty rates only went that high under Gillard. Now they are reverting to their original, reasonable level in response to the difficulty small employers are facing.

    On a personal level I had employees who to chose to buy as much as possible from overseas to save money. I can understand that. However if they won't support Australian businesses then they can't expect Australian businesses to support them. And now in sectors like retail and hospitality small businesses are struggling and when Amazon unleashes here this year many of those businesses will not be able to employ staff on weekdays much less at double time on weekends when their customers are at home shopping at Amazon on their tablets.

    My accountant was told by an ATO officer that currently "retail is carnage". A small business owner can only afford to hang on in the face of declining income and rising costs of keeping the doors open for so long. They have to earn a living too.

    Your employer is not your mother, if they can't afford the cost of employing you then you won't be employed and you will have to find another way to support yourself.
     
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    Shaddam IV Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Where to even start with that off-with-the pixies opinion piece? Does the writer have any concept of economic reality? Does the writer know how to read a chart? It is the usual tired, vague, socialist drivel about greedy bosses and noble workers that only university students doing a course that has the word "Studies" tacked onto the end would believe because they will never qualify for a high paying job in the real world and they know it.
     
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    I'm happy to debate you on how artificial price barriers destroy wealth, but..............

    ................ I'm not going to bother responding to any more accusations, nor your obviously biased desires to lay claim to even greater amounts of my income or the incomes of other business operators engaged in productive behaviour as we go about meeting the needs of consumers and enhancing wealth for all.
     
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    Could start with the title which JulieW unfortunately didn't copy across:

    Day to Day Politics: What is your labour worth?

    Answer: If you were only working on Sunday's because of the penalty rates, then the worth of your labour (to you) is somewhere between the old rates and the new rates (so we can now pinpoint it to within a few per cent). If not, you value your labour at the new rates at most. Simples.


    I loved the author's openness about how much they cared about others when he criticised Michaelia Cash's soundbite:
    Our socialist friend is giving a giant finger to the most vulnerable and least skilled in society, openly stating that he would rather they remained unemployed so long as it meant his better off buddies could enjoy the benefits of price fixing their labour.
     
  11. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Everything still happens on a Sunday? I wonder what he means by that? That's a value-laden comment if I've ever seen one.

    To many people Sunday is a working day. To us it's the best day of the week and accounts for about 28 - 30% of our weekly turnover. Mondays and Tuesdays are our weekends, now that my kids have left home I'd be reluctant to trade a Saturday or Sunday off in place of a Monday/Tuesday. It's far more peaceful on the water or camping when there aren't thousands of of screaming kids around. To my mind I don't consider Sundays sacred, Mondays and Tuesdays on the other hand are another matter. ;)

    The author is attempting to justify a central planning policy decision by appealing to values, not economics. However he's forgotten, or doesn't realise that values are entirely subjective.
     
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    Politic numpties make a mess of an argument again.

    A Sydney man who took to the stage alongside Opposition Leader Bill Shorten, claiming the new penalty cuts would cost him $109 a week will not lose a cent.
    "I will now lose $109 a week, that is insane. I rely on the penalty rates to make ends meet and to pay for my fuel, my rent and to pay for my food."
    An employee of supermarket giant, Coles, Mr Hunter is employed under an enterprise agreement and therefore will not be effected.
    Mr Shorten's office confirmed Mr Hunter is also a member of the ALP.

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/3448504...otests-trent-hunter-wont-lose-a-dollar/#page1
     
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    For me Sunday's mean the phone doesn't ring as much so I can get more work done.

    Other up side is that often others aren't in the office so I can crank up my "music" and stream weird stuff like Stalaggh/Gulaggh. :p
     
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    Streaming stuff like that.... maybe they are too scared to be alone in the office on a Sunday with you? :p
     
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    Sometimes I wonder what the people upstairs and downstairs must think. ;)
     
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    Moving from Melbourne to a rural community of 16,000 people created high levels of stress and anxiety
    Banks were not open on weekends
    All retail businesses closed at 1 pm on Saturday and did not re open until 9 am Monday morning
    Public holidays saw cafes advertising a 25% surcharge on prices to cover overheads
    Supermarkets were only open until 12 pm not 24/7
    I had to rearrange my whole way of thinking Arrrgghhh!!!!
    At the end of the day with some planning support and tolerance I survived-just!
    And I came to appreciate the infamous ute sticker
    "We'll keep our cowshit in the country you keep your bullshit in the city"

    REDBACK
     
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    Somebody who can't afford to buy carrots otherwise?
     
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    OH the Umanity, a dose of real life, with real life conditions, Good to see that you survived RedBack, many other mere mortals would of melted into some sort of unrecognisable
    puddle of Abbot or Trump itis, or the associated left wing meltdown when faced with such adversity of seeking a safe space rather than handle things on their own.
     
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    Penalty rates have been an integral part of our family since day-dot. However, this has diminished or disappeared over the years as job position improves and salaries are not tied to awards (free market). So it doesn't effect me so much.

    What this recent decision has done is to provide me with great pleasure and copious amounts of laughing material watching the comedy act of the Talented Mr Shorten. :lol:

    13 February 2008
    Workplace Relations Amendment (Transition to Forward with Fairness) Bill 2008 is introduced to the House of Representatives.
    http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam...amentary_Library/pubs/BN/2011-2012/ChronFWAct

    28 May 2009
    Minister Gillard (Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations) requests AIRC to modernise awards.
    http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam...amentary_Library/pubs/BN/2011-2012/ChronFWAct

    28 May 2009
    Minister Gillard varies her modernisation request to remove the restaurant caf and catering sector from the hospitality modern award so as to create a separate instrument for restaurants.
    http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam...amentary_Library/pubs/BN/2011-2012/ChronFWAct
    http://www.airc.gov.au/awardmod/download/request_variation_290509.pdf

    1 July 2009
    First operational day of Fair Work Australia (FWA) and the Fair Work Ombudsman (FWO).
    http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam...amentary_Library/pubs/BN/2011-2012/ChronFWAct

    20 Dec 2011
    Bill Shorten Announces review of Fair Work Act - including penalty rates.
    "I asked these three experts to conduct the review because they bring diverse experience and skills in working on workplace relations and economic matters in Australia and their ability to bring a new perspective to the debate," Mr Shorten said.
    http://www.billshorten.com.au/fair-work-act-review-announced

    21 March 2013
    Bill Shorten Introduces Fair Work Amendment Bill:
    Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations Bill Shorten has announced the government will implement a first tranche of recommendations arising from the independent Fair Work Act Review.
    http://www.billshorten.com.au/summing_up_speech_fair_work_amendmentbill-2013

    21 April 2016
    A Labor government would accept the decision of the Fair Work Commission on Sunday penalty rates, even if the commission opts to reduce them, Opposition Leader Bill Shorten says.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...nalty-rates-bill-shorten-20160421-gobpo5.html

    1 June 2016
    BILL Shorten raised alien life on earth to explain why he refused to answer whether a Labor government would intervene if crippling penalty rates were slashed by the Fair Work Commission after the election.
    In a bizarre array of statements, the Opposition Leader refused to answer the simple question because he claimed Fair Work would never cut penalty rates despite the Productivity Commission recommending Sunday rates be brought in line with Saturday.
    When pressed on growing speculation there will be changes, Mr Shorten replied: "What if Alien life makes contact with earth?''.
    Translation: The commission would never make a decision to cut penalty rates.
    http://www.news.com.au/national/fed...s/news-story/d782b7a2031f0775b78a5b62017d5b49

    24 February 2017
    WHEN Labor leader Bill Shorten appeared before the media yesterday to slam the penalty rates decision and call on Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull to take action, some may have been surprised.
    It was Labor who set up the Fair Work Commission in 2009 to make independent decisions on industrial awards, minimum wages, oversee disputes and approve enterprise agreements.
    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work...n/news-story/070b802b4a06dfbef0b72202d96f6036

    :lol: :lol: :lol:
    What a turtling d%$ckhead
    :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
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    You were expecting..... like...... reality?
     

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