What do penalty rates mean to you?

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  1. Topherclaus

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    You can live stream today's decision here: https://www.fwc.gov.au/ at 11 a.m.

    In the mean time, tell us about what they do mean, or have meant, to your financial stability and family life.

    Do you think the current system should be changed and why?
     
  2. bordsilver

    bordsilver Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Meant I had to pay 7.5% surcharge on my fish and chips on Sunday :(
     
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    sammysilver Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I think if we want out of hours services, we should pay a surcharge if appropriate.
     
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    i means we earn more money. it means it becomes more expensive to do big business and it becomes more attractive to move business offshore.
     
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    I thought penalty rates were more applicable to those working for smaller service industry businesses so there's no point in them moving offshore?
     
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    bordsilver Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    But only if they are freely negotiated by employers and employees.
     
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    bordsilver Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    More applicable but not fully applicable.
     
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    When penalty rates rose under the Gillard government we shifted our schedules so that we cut staffing on weekends. It was particularly hard for our staff members at university as they depended on the weekend work especially and they lost out.
     
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    I thought they were only looking at cutting Sunday rates back to Saturday rates with all other penalties unaffected?
     
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    What penalty rates mean to our small business.

    1. Reduced profit as a greater share of our income from the decision to operate on Sundays/Public holidays has to be given to workers.
    2. Senior staff earn more $$/hour than the owners, even if the owners are more highly qualified and take greater business risk.
    3. We have to decide whether to swallow the cost of paying penalty rates or pass that on to the consumer. We choose to swallow the cost as competition is tough and the market is not large enough to allow us to pass on costs.
    4. We usually either don't employ senior staff on public holidays or just roster them for the bare minimum if we can ie 2 hrs, preferring to employ juniors on public holidays to make up staffing shortfalls, or if we have a good team, reducing our staffing levels.
     
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    We could always go back to just opening Saturday mornings.
     
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    Interesting point.
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    What good would that do?
     
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    It does not seem that long ago that you couldn't buy meat in the supermarket on Saturday after noon and the shops shut at 1pm.
    There were reasons for shutting the shops which some may or may not agree with. I think from memory that it had to do with families.
     
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    Australia just needs to define how many hours a standard working week is, if anyone works more than that then that portion should be income TAX free. Then the employers don't need to pay employees penalty rates, customers are not passed on any surcharges and the person that has to work a 50 hour week to make ends meet will still walk away with a similar if not better pay packet at the end of the week.

    Initially there will be a reduction in Government revenue but this will swing back after about 3 months to a similar point, then after 6 months we will actually see growth and an increase to Government revenue due to more taxation revenue through growth expenditure as the costs of services decrease to the consumers.

    At the moment the Government has the hand brake on the economy while they inefficiently try and micro-manage workers, only free markets have proven time and time again to be the ideal growth model.
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    No change for casuals under the hospitality award, yet a 25% reduction for casuals in the fast food award. :/

    Time to change our award at work methinks.
     
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    Thats what I do.Time to get out of this business if I had to open sundays or all day Saturday to make ends meet.
     
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    I will be interested to see if it leads to more jobs as some people suggested.
     
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    It's a con job!

    Businesses can afford and "has" been able pay penalty rates. Why screw over hard-working folk? How about consumer pays for their food, drink etc (Jack the price up).

    Having said that....

    How about the government start taxing industry for every robot that has taken a workers job. We need a "ROBOT" tax at the highest marginal rate.

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