Think about how the Chinese fighter pilots must feel. They have to go to work driving a Great Wall car and then climb into a supersonic fighter with a "Made In China" sticker on the bottom. Not for the faint hearted.
We need another petition........... for a button to "unthank" when the "thank" button is mistakenly pressed.
That sort of military hardware is a bit redundant with the threat of nuclear war but at least it gives some people something to do.
A member just implied that people that have a paid membership are given some kind of "free pass" to offend others as though the forum owner and moderators can be bought off for $32.00.
Sorry, yeah I realise that, was just pointing it out. Sorry, was not implying anything against you Jonesy.
Was actually said tongue in cheek, but perhaps i've stumbled onto a hornets nest by accident? My apologies to GP if I offended.
Thought you guys might like this History Channel vid. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnUwxDhE1kU[/youtube]
Anyone who thinks XX numbers of Russian planes is more potent than X numbers of US aircraft doesn't know what they're talking about. They haven't considered the layered nature of any US/NATO etc military deployment. Especially that F15/16/18/22 are all superior airframes who operate supporting each other, the US air combat missiles are superior, their airborne (AEWAC/AEW&C) radar system is superior, their airborne refueling assets are world spanning and ground radar networks are superior. Remember the brave Iraqi Air Force actions vs the Americans? Apart from the ones buried in the desert (and uncovered by our Commandos) they all flew teir MiGs to Iran. So potent. And the Iraelis using just one strike platform can breeze through the Russian supplied Syrian air defence net with ease. Which has to be a 'good' system as it also protects the Russian naval base in Syria.
I think you're dreaming mate. Remember the Korean War? Russian pilots flying Migs took it to the yanks in 1 on 1 combat... no sign of superiority there. Believing the Americans are so superior and all due to their superior equipment is for high school kids. The real world is different :lol:
You're talking about 60years ago. Dogfights in the Korean War were not suited to US aircraft at the time, yes. They had certain technological expectations of air combat that weren't met - the MiG pilots still wanted to get close and dogfight which wasn't expected. The Americans learned their lessons and the close air combat skills of US pilots/aircraft had returned by the Vietnam War - but by then the technological advances were indeed manifested. Pity the advantages were only vs aircraft and not SAMs of the 1970s... And again you're talking about 1 on 1 engagements where the pilots are battling to the death. Doesn't happen anymore. Someone above mentioned air combat is BVD - beyond visual distance. Can be over 100km on a good day. We're not talking about the Red Baron vs Lord Flasheart throwing spanners at each other when their Vickers guns jam here. This allows for a brief diversion: Captain Blackadder: Flasheart, this is Captain Darling. Lord Flasheart: Captain Darling? Funny name for a guy isn't it? Last person I called darling was pregnant twenty seconds later.
It is incorrect to assume the Americans have always had superior equipment to their enemies - just look at the Shermans vs Panthers in WW2. During the Korean War, the MiG-15 was superior to any aircraft the west had - it retained a slight edge over the F-86, the best the US could throw against the communists in 1951.
US = 18 killed Somali's = 315-1,500 killed depending on whose propaganda you believe (and with or without civilian deaths) Despite the drama and really shitty situation the US got themselves into and experiencing lots of unnecessary deaths+casualties for lots of reasons (read the books, don't go by the movie for what they were), based on those stats the US kicked ass.
By that logic the US won the Vietnam War, considering how many more of the enemy they killed than they lost themselves. Battles are determined by who achieves their objective, not by the casualty count. In 1709 a coalition army drove the French army from the field of Malplaquet at the cost of 20K casualties to 10K for the French. But as the French retired from the field first, history records this as a coalition victory under the Duke of Marlborough.
Obviously you can't compare a war (such as Vietnam) to a one day dogfight. The issue being discussed is whether the US has a technological advantage that is worth anything (noting that "simple" logistics is one of the most important technologies). On the one hand a Bushmaster is simply a truck for transporting people. On the other (to the best of my knowledge) no Australian has been killed in one from IEDs etc which wins hands down compared to any other vehicle (especially the US Hummers etc).
Baboons armed with mostly AK 47s, some machine guns and bazookas are hardly comparable to first world military equipment and training etc..
As a few people have reported this post, I fail to see how denigrating people as baboons is not considered racist. Yippe, as has been privately communicated to you on a NUMBER of occasions, and followed up with subsequent suspensions, there are a set of forum rules which you agreed to when you signed up to this forum. This is your final, public, warning.
