was it really necessary?

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  1. sammysilver

    sammysilver Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I gave a talk on Monday night to my philosophy group on "Death by Misadventure". Unfortunately it is not a question of right or wrong in this case, more a sorry consequence of the victim putting herself in harm's way.

    It was a tragedy waiting to happen.
     
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    People who have never used firearms always say silly things like this. It's not a movie, 'shooting in the leg' is far harder said than done.
     
  3. lurk@l0t

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    I have to say that for a left wing maniac u have a very strange affection for the fascist police force!
    I guess it just goes to show that the commies and fascists really are just two sides of the same coin.
     
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    And from the sounds of it, the people who wanted the general first response police to be expert long distance marksmen capable of shooting moving targets "in the leg", capable of disarming a waving knife with a simple side step, all be wearing bullet proof vests and other armour, and all have decades of experience...the people who say this are the first to say 'police state' when specialists on specific duties actually have to use any hardware entering the clubhouse of the Hells Angels.

    You can't have it both ways.
     
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    I have to agree. However if the police have the time (no close range lunge at them) they could try shooting them in the leg but I imagine there will still be people that will even question that police action if there was no close range lunge at them. A tough situation I think.
     
  6. Miloman

    Miloman Active Member Silver Stacker

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    Insightful and pragmatic comment Sammy.

    "Scorpion and the frog", there's no changing the nature of things philosophy.

    Sad sad state of affairs the whole being human thing and in a group... the Stanford Zimbardo prison experiment taught us the outcome of your exact point as did Stan Milgram. Pity most people wouldn't comprehend this, the experiments did teach us that much. You know I learnt a lot about myself from them. Majority of people are submissive to authority to the point of being able to kill others. Powerful stuff this level of psychology and how people are indoctrinated so effectively.

    I still hold the view of wrong and right as useful descriptors, none the less your point is worthy of praise. As we say in french 'Quel dommage'.
     
  7. lurk@l0t

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    Actually my use of "u're" is not meant to represent "your" as you so ignorantly pointed out.
    It's shorthand for "you're" - which is the shorthand for "you are" whereas "your" indicates 'possession' or 'belonging to'.
    So next time you try on your pseudo intellectual T-shirt, please at least ask your mommy to first check your grammar and spelling for you!

    I just wanted to thank you for your amateur attempt at analysis of my profile as it really is extremely amusing!
    Given how obtuse your analysis skills are I'd have to say it would probably be best if you heeded your own advice and did not contribute to the gene pool! However it's probably already too late ...
     
  8. lurk@l0t

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    Unfortunately they never even gave her minutes - it was all over within 40 seconds from when the goonsquad police arrived!
     
  9. serial

    serial Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Lol so I was right, you are an idiot.
    Truth hurts a bit does it?
    So what was the charge? Reckless driving? Disorderly conduct? Or perhaps you have progressed to an assault charge?
     
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    + 100

    By the way I believe there were 4 cops surrounding the woman - and not 3.
    Makes it even more ridiculous, and nothing other than plain murder
     
  11. lurk@l0t

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    So says the ignoramus who cannot differentiate between "your are" and "your" ...
     
  12. Miloman

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    Police efficiency that's what it is! Stop being so paranoid they simply and effectively protected the life right out of her and it did end the situation.

    The police should be commended and given bravery awards! All hail the police.

    And stop thinking about it already or police may want to help you with that too. Police have also found that replacing batons with guns has increased learning and now boast 100% success in any encounter. Perfect!

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    Lol yeh I'm done with you. enjoy your little existence safe in the knowledge no one cares in the real world what you think. That your rantings and abusive opinions will be ignored by those with real power and authority and you will never actually achieve anything real
     
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    lol!

    Please don't tell your mommy on me okay?
     
  15. Miloman

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    You tell him serial!!!! Way to go, you da man!!!! Let me give you a magic "grip" handshake brother, don't worry no one knows the age of your grandma.

    You are so right serial, I can't wait for him to get protected by the police!!!

    Of course they are going to ignore him as it's ONLY ever the psychopaths that avoid power and just wait until they get a hold of him. We'll be the one laughing, right?!

    Don't worry police will protect him real good, just like this guy who forgot how to breath. Now that's some good protecting, mmmm mmmm nice work!!! Go police, hail!
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    [email protected] - keep it civil mate, your method of argument damages your point. Play the issue not the man.
    serial - if it was one on one I'd be more inclined to agree, but 3 on 1 is significantly different. Should have been manageable with the basic level of training that should be expected from those who are entrusted to wear the badge.
    Miloman - I'm enjoying your satirical technique despite the increasingly graphic nature of your images.


    To reiterate my answer to OPs question (thread title), it was not necessary. It was tragic for both the officer behind the trigger and the young lass who took the bullet.

    Everything else is speculation, imagination and masturbation.
     
  17. Big A.D.

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    Again, rushing an armed police office while clutching a large knife is likely to end badly for you. Do not expect to be able to do this and come out of it with a few cuts and bruises. The police can, will and are entitled to defend themselves.

    Nobody is happy this happened, me included, but it's simply not reasonable to expect the police to be able to bring about a happy ending every time they face an armed attacker. Bones get broken, heads get concusses and occasionally someone gets shot.

    It's tragic, but it happens. That's the nature of policing.
     
  18. hawkeye

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    I don't think you can really claim that police are, on the whole well-intentioned. While I won't comment on one particular incident, I will say that, if you take on the role of a policeman/woman you will, throughout your career, prosecute many people for victimless crimes. Crimes that should not be crimes. The police, rather than being seen as protectors of the peace, are regarded with suspicion by large swathes of the community. There is a fear response from most people when encountered by a policeman because they are asking themselves "have I done anything wrong?" Nobody wants to have to deal with the cops if they don't have to. They are not friends of the community at large.

    Any decent cop should be asking questions about the organisation that they work for. I would bet that many decent ones just end up leaving in frustration.

    The myth of police as protectors of the community is mostly just that. They serve the government, not the community. And the evidence of this can been plainly seen any time there is a big political event with leaders present. The cops serve the people who pay them.
     
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    ummm, what's the story with guy on the ground in the pic above? Is he dead? It looks horrific.
     
  20. lurk@l0t

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    Very true! Cops definately are not peace officers as in days gone by!
    Instead they serve the state - as simple as that - collecting revenue and all too often murdering citizens with impunity
     

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