was it really necessary?

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  1. Big A.D.

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    Virtually everyone the police come into contact with is either under the influence of drugs, suffering from some form of mental illness or intent on not being around the police to the point where they'll attack them in order to get away.

    Best case scenario for the cops is dealing someone who is just having a really bad day.

    Cops aren't able to diagnose autism within seconds of arriving on scene. Neither are experienced psychiatrists. Either might be able to take a guess and it might well turn out later that they were right, or it might turn out that the person had a history of violence and was high on ice at the time and ready to slash the throat of anyone who looked at them a bit funny.

    People with autism spectrum disorders can be violent and act irrationally anyway.

    The woman had been threatening to run out into the heavy traffic, presumably with the intention of being hit by a passing vehicle.

    The cops had tried using capsicum spray, which was ineffective and a taser, which was apparently also ineffective.

    The cop who fired was caught between the woman holding a large knife and a busy road and, from the reports, backed away towards the road to avoid shooting for as long as possible.
     
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    capsicum spray and a taser ineffective on a 22 year old girl - I'll believe that when someone other than the oinkers say it.
     
  3. Big A.D.

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    She was wearing wrap-around sunglasses (as seen in the photos) so the capsicum spray didn't work.

    There are plenty of cases of people able to withstand being tasered, often under the under the influence of drugs which affect pain receptors and the central nervous system.

    There's going to be the inevitable inquiry with plenty of witnesses who saw it happen, but on the face of it this was just one of those really tragic cases where a police officer was put in a position where they had to shoot someone or face the very real risk of being seriously injured or killed themselves.
     
  4. Miloman

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    Police had every right to shoot her and anyone else they feel like is a threat.

    Police have a hard enough job as it is and protect your very existence! In fact your existence belongs to them so be grateful for your life.

    Police are the law. Disobey them and face the consequences.

    Police are licensed to use force, in fact they are the ONLY ones allowed. And personal I don't think they use enough force. There are far too many people that are dissenting here. And whilst everyone is being monitored, some have wised up and are staying silent. Bravo. Although you are still on the list, the brotherhood has eyes everywhere.

    Police globally are completely different. There is no common traits amongst them except to protect the life out of you. Australian police are the best in the world.

    There is no corruption amongst police, never has been, never will be.

    Police cannot be responsible if someone chooses no to breath or live in any interaction with the police no matter how gentle.

    Given the opportunity those with power ALWAYS use it responsibly.

    They had to kill her, there was just no other option. It was a necessary kill, actually internal it is classed as "appropriately aiding the public".

    Anyone who dares question this is UNAUSTRALIAN and should leave the country.

    Meanwhile enjoy some happy snaps of caring officers put into tough situations. (I didn't post the really graphic ones of police lovingly help people relieve excess blood or life from their protectees)

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    Never been police corruption in Australia?


    A long history of police corruption
    August 12, 2011

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/a-long-history-of-police-corruption-20110811-1iosn.html




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  6. Miloman

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    Never!

    Now open the door and don't resist and if you do happen choose to breathe then don't worry we have a medic.

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  7. lurk@l0t

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    Yeh - 4 officers armed to the teeth and at nearly point blank range they couldnt shoot into the assailant's arm or leg even?

    Tyical example of armed to the teeth government thugs who are apparently above the law
     
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    So u support murder then do u??
    Say there are 4 armed to the teeth civilians who wished to make a citizens arrest on the woman with the knife....
    And these civilians acted in exactly the same way as.those officers did.
    One of them would now definitely be up for MURDER!!
    Shooting to kill in these circumstances was clearly not justified. Police should only have the right to use reasonable force for self defence - same as any other citizen.

    Clearly that is not the case in our fascist police state where murder by government thugs is apparently ok.
     
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    Unarmed combat was only used in the good old days when police officers had to be 6 foot plus and possess above average strength and athleticism.
    With the advent of 4ft female officers and the like its way easier to simply shoot 'armed' assailants!
    Especially cos police in Australia apparently have way more rights to 'self defence' than ordinary citizens
    do.
     
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    Yeh well i doubt any of the officers reasonably suspected the woman to be a navy seal!
     
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    [email protected] stop making sense, that's totally unAustralian!!! Who the hell do you think you are?!

    Our police are the best in the world! All police action is caring and done with the best interest of the person.

    And if you continue to talk that way, police and doctors are also looking to help you out too.

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    I don't mean to sound rude but some of the responses here about shooting the legs, disarm her, or the effectiveness of pepper spray and tasers are all based on a TV/movie understanding of such things work. People on this forum talk about sheeple in the financial sense but then their responses here are clearly sheeple responses to life and death situations. OC spray is seldom effective in the real world. Tasers are the same. I've been sprayed and I can fight through it. Beanbags don't always work either. I've known officers who have shot suspects with a dozen beanbag shots and it only pissed the suspect off more. Leg shots, shooting the weapon out of the hand, warning shots over the head etc. are Hollywood. Looks good on film, not real. Officers deal with increased stress response makes these fanciful shots even more impossible. Knives are much scarier than guns. Guns only hurt you in one line; knives hurt you in many directions. I'm not sure how much regular violence you guys get in Australia but if you ever do get to see what a person with a knife can really do to another human being you'd probably think shooting the knife wielder is a good idea, too.

    Check out this video to see what every cop in the world deals with at some level everyday:
    http://www.policeone.com/use-of-for...ster-undergoes-use-of-force-scenario-training
     
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    very well said.
     
  14. lurk@l0t

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    you're so full of sh.t! I cant believe that you can spout such utter rubbish!
     
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    oh and "treating police with contempt" is nowadays a crime punishable by death???

    so 4 cops to one woman isn't large enough numbers for you mate?? what utter crap!
     
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    1. because police regard their own lives as way more important than the lives of the public - who are more akin to insects to them
    2. they can (and do) get away with murdering unarmed or under-armed civilians without appropriate consequences (ie jail time)
    3. the most outspoken portion of the population are those nazi neanderthals who believe those wearing a badge and a gun are somehow above the law and can use lethal force any time they perceive a threat to their physical well being - no matter how far from life threatening that threat may be.
    (and NO I don't regard the situation under discussion as life threatening for four trained officers vs one woman with a knife even if she did "lunge" or "run" at them with the knife)

    While point 3 persists the situation will continue to deteriorate until someday somebody you know is shot to death for "confronting" police in a way they don't like
     
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    That's what professional police force members are trained to do dumass! or at least that's what they were trained to do in the days gone by when police were actually "officers of the peace" and always used minimum force to disable suspects.
    of course nowdays the police are nothing more than quasi troops used to eliminate any perceived threat to the state or police members with maximum lethal force!
    (I guess that does save money on putting suspects through the judicial system though)
    And the situation will only deteriorate while we have Nazi Neanderthals such as yourself cheering them along!
    Stuff the rights of the citizens being murdered by the state! cos that's exactly whats happening here. Make no mistake - this was murder - plain and simple!
     
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    Lurk you have no idea what you are talking about. No policeinthe world are trained to shoot legs or any other silly stuff you see on TV. Stop living in a fantasy world.
     
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    oh so now police are supposedly worried about innocent bystanders??

    Well then why do police pursue high speed chases with such vigour thereby endangering hundreds of innocent lives on the streets??
    Police have been directly responsible for hundreds of deaths in this way already!
    so don't give me that bullshit! the fact is police disregard the life and safety of the public simply so that they can "get their man" or woman as in this case!
     

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