was it really necessary?

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  1. dragafem

    dragafem Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    She had oversized glasses apparently so the cap spray was ineffective.
     
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    Bean bag rounds, or maybe those guns that fire a net to capture wildlife. If people are going to act like wild animals, treat them like wild animals.
     
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    The shootings are better at Hungry Jacks
     
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    Some self-defence training, a knife vest and a riot helmet and she'd probaby just have a broken wrist. Or the net
     
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    It sounds like it was necessary.

    She was armed, and attacked police officers with the weapon. What are they meant to do? They tried the other options and apparently she attacked in under 40 seconds of the first contact so negotiation wouldn't have had time to be effective.

    Not saying that it isn't a waste of a life but if it came down to her life or the life of a passer by or the police officers then she was the least worst option.
     
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    Maybe oversized glasses should be made illegal. Like bullet proof clothing is.
     
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    dragafem Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    again,trained officers..shoot her in the leg....do you still remember the sydney cafe siege?how come they did not shoot right away(snipers)?...

    what is the example they are trying to show here? this comes to mind-fear...
     
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    An unfortunate incident but given other events unfolding that day (the 2 counter-terrorism arrests), police would have been a little jumpy that day.

    Source: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/two-men-to-face-court-after-counterterrorism-raid-20150211-13bc0a.html
     
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    It happens way too much, especially in regards to emotionally disturbed and mentally ill subjects. The forces are treating public with contempt. They go in to win whereas it should be wide perimeter and harm minimalisation. Don't threaten them with too rapid and close approach. I've seen a Youtube video where US police (in this instance) did it all right. They kept distance but contained the guy and followed him as he walked ensuring he was not a danger to others. This guy acted much more dangerous than any twenty something girl could be. They eventually took him down with a shot in the leg or something, can't remember exactly. Apparently here they are being trained to eliminate any perceived threat to themselves with lethal force.
     
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    They knew the situation- woman with a big knife. Only rubber bullets should have been used and she should have been shot in the leg. There was no real need for police to rock up fully loaded with live ammo.
     
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    sigh, do people really believe that police can just shoot someone in the leg running at them with a large knife? do people really believe that police should be asked to risk their life to engage in hand to hand combat with a knife wielding assailant with an un-known ability in knife combat and proven resistance to incapacitating systems (taser/pepper stray)
    if so then join the police force and see how long that attitude lasts
    the police officer had the right to go home to his family and now has to live with the fact he shot and killed a person much less the massive amounts of attention he will receive from the press and internal affairs.
    The woman had the choice to put the knife down and surrender to police, she chose to die instead it was her choice to make and I am glad that no one else was hurt but don't start suggesting pie in the sky ideas as to what could have happened
    like they could have got a fire truck and sprayed her into submission with the water cannon. or they could have covered her in expanding foam till she was immobilised. or they could have got several drones to circle around her till she got dizzy and passed out. maybe the police should carry a boot full of nurf Vulcan guns and get people to surround her and pummel her with nurf bullets till she has a giggling fit and gives up (works on my kids)
    point is they are all good and stupid ideas at the same time but it is easy to come up with them when I am in front of a key board. this officer was face to face with a knife wielding maniac and didn't have the option of google or delete and made the decision that got him home that night
     
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    Usually when you hear about police shooting people it is a jogger or mistaken identity or something dodgy has taken place, and I am one of the first to question if they couldn't have handled it in a different way so that no one ends up dead.

    It does happen way too often, but the fact that they are emotionally disturbed or mentally ill subjects doesn't make them any less dangerous. And lunging at police with a knife could also be considered as treating them with contempt.

    I am sure in an ideal situation the Police would be able to arrive in large numbers in plain clothes to shut down the street, move civilians to safety, and put a cordon around the armed person while they can get negotiators in and have non lethal weapons at the ready. However if in the time it takes this to happen a member of the public is killed then the Police are going to be asked why they didn't do anything in time.

    It is a bad situation all round.
     
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    Bit of a disgrace really. These guys have vests and an array of other stuff to protect them, but they shoot a bullet .. into her chest.

    If it was a big guy pumped up on drugs .. yeah maybe .. but a girl of 20 odd I think it would not have taken much imagination to come up with a non lethal method of disarming her.

    It really does show that police will protect their own at all costs, even sacrificing the lives of those mentally disturbed and looking for help.
     
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    While it is sad that someone died, you need to remember that the person who died, selected a knife from home made their way out into public with the knife and when the police arrived attempted to attack them.

    The police didn't drive up to a random person in the street and start shooting at them.

    Girls with knives are just as capable as killing someone than a big guy pumped up on drugs and jackets don't protect the face, arms or legs.

    I am sure we will hear more on this but it doesn't sounds like she was looking for help, she may have needed it but the time to provide it was before she went out armed into the public.
     
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    Why are police trained to shoot to kill when a shot to the leg would have disabled the woman neutralising the risk? It's not like she had a gun and could still shoot someone when laying on the ground?
     
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    why not throw a bag of marbles on the floor on the ground so she slips on her arse?
    again lets stop throwing up stupid ideas, shooting the legs of a moving target. specifically moving in your direction with a big arse knife that will end your life
    sigh your not vaccinated by any chance are you?
     
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    Yes!! Sorry, but my parents didn't know any better. :(
     
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    From my understanding the Police are trained not to pull their gun out at all unless it is a life or death situation. If a situation is dire enough to draw a weapon it is then it means that the situation has escalated too far for any other means.

    You could ask why they didn't just fire the gun in the air above her head, that would have got her attention.
     

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