vaccination is on the table again

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  1. systematic

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    Germany may have lost the war ... but the Nazis went to the USA to eat that country inside out ... they learned killing the enemy fast gets attention quickly ... but when it is done slowly over decades it goes largely unnoticed ...
     
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    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQYISvsgq6s[/youtube]

    Dr. Boyd Haley is a professor and chair of the chemistry department at the University of Kentucky. In this interview, Dr. Haley discusses mercury toxicity as a causal factor in Autism.
     
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    Coincidentally, I've just started watching a History Channel documentary on the presumed escape of Hitler to South America. Worth a look.
     
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    "For herd immunity to work, about 90 per cent of the population have to be vaccinated, Dr Buttery says."
     
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    even with 100% vaccinated, there will be chicken pox :) it does not work.
     
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    I found this comment at the bottom of a story most amusing
    "Harvey Still
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    i blame chickens ,eat more red meat !"
     
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    Does vaccinating children who have a natural immunity to chicken pox reduce the natural immunity in a population over a long time?
     
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    Chickenpox is chickenpox ... no matter how many spots ... the immune reaction is a highly specific natural biological response ... injecting people with strains of rubbish makes big pharma big profits ...
     
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    Vaccination can be active (relies on triggering an immune response to stimulate the body to produce its own antibodies) or passive (contains ready made antibodies that may supress or limit the natural production by the body of specific antibodies) ... the body's immunity is a full time life long natural function and without it people would succumb easily to disease and infection ...
     
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    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...s/news-story/f643ea45c989c63365c0e50ea4a5f3e0

    This is what happens when you stuff around with the natural order of things! You cannot take the easy way out and expect not to have a backlash eventually. We are not relying on our bodies to naturally produce an immunity to disease. If we do not evolve with the diseases that come out and have a situation where immunity is only provided to the fittest that survive then we can only look forward to being the slaves to many more virulent diseases as they evolve to take advantage of a population which has grown weak.

    We rely too much on science and have taken on the view that no-one should have to die of any disease. I believe that nature has a method for ensuring that there is a balance, and if everything goes out of balance then nature will do it's darndest to balance out the inequity. We are starting to see it with antibiotics now, and in a few years, maybe we will see it with more disastrous effect with vaccinations.
     
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    Could it be possible to isolate what makes some immune and then inject that into babies?

    Or would it require genetic manipulation?
     
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    There is a difference between injecting ready made antibodies and injecting material to stimulate the body's natural immune system to make it's own antibodies ... it depends on whats in the vial ... multivaccines given at the one time seem to represent a massive immunological challenge to a developing immune system ...

    It is a manipulation of the immune system ...
     
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    I think that is one of future science's greatest gifts, the knowledge to manipulate the human body in order to help us live longer, healthier lives. 350 years would be a good lifespan.
     
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    At 349 we will be permitted to access our Super, and at 350 we must report for mandatory disincorporation.
     
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    Yes it would be a great gift ... but the TPB want global depopulation ... so longevity may be after that ...
     
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    The immune system works on a recognition system of "self" and "not self" ... as an analogy think of passive immunity as an instant army on a limited tour of duty ... other vaccines are like dumping a dead enemy (not self) into the body so it will be recognised and plans made to build an army (antibodies) against it ...

    If the enemy is wearing a different uniform the body will make a plan to build an army specifically against that ... when the body makes these plans (templates) and armies (antibodies) it remembers it for a long time ... it is very specific and has also been described as a lock and key model ...
     
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    So what you are saying is we can't "inject" immunity into another person. It has to be either manipulated via genetic modification during pregnancy, or left to nature?
     
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    I am not sure what you mean by inject "immunity" ... in a sense, immunity is a "function" rather than a "substance" ...

    There is prophylactic vaccination for negative blood group women in pregnancy using "anti D" that is a form of passive immunisation against Rh positive antigens that are structures expressed on the surface of red blood cells that may leak from the foetus and sensitise the mother to produce her own anti D antibodies and may put the foetus at risk .... injecting a specified dose of passive anti D is a short term strategy thought to suppress the mother's immune response as the injected antibodies mop up any RhD positive red cells from the foetus and are removed from circulation...
     

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