US military invasion of Venezuela before end of the year?

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  1. spannermonkey

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    Will never happen for a couple of reasons
    1- Who owns the oil refineries in Venezuela
    Russia has $17B invested & China has $70B invested
    2 - It's not really about the oil anyway ,what's Venezuela really doing ?
     
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    in plain words, if the soldiers went into Venezuela, all will be liquidated
    there is no UN support, too many countries short of supporting an invasion
    there is no brave soldiers around to hold the cannon to be folded
    mid range nukes missiles can be placed there, it is very near US mainland
    but this may lead to biological weapons being used with drones, but in very short window they would no longer be flying over
     
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    May happen if Clinton is in charge. Remember, bill does a lot of speeches for the Chinese and Russians. A US direct intervention is the excuse that Putin needs. At the moment, he can only send unnamed little green men.

    As for Donald Trump, notice he can't be bothered. Why stand in the way of shit that is about to hit the fan anyway? First hyperinflation, now breakdown of infrastructure.
     
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    Maduro says 2 perpetrators of power grid 'sabotage' captured
    US withdrawing all remaining diplomatic personnel from Venezuela – State Department

    there is no legal ground to stand on, for illegal presence there ... the US got to abandon ??? their unauthorized stay there
    the water power station there is an eye sore for the saboteur
    the country with abundance oil, and does not need oil for their power needs


    https://www.mintpressnews.com/did-t...Bpqj6bwMQNMUHKAOMLtmlBY#.XIdQ1zpaa5s.facebook
    “Lights Out!” Did Trump and His Neocons Recycle Bush-Era Plan to Knock Out Venezuela’s Power Grid?

    The logic behind the likelihood of U.S. cyber sabotage


    https://thegrayzone.com/2019/03/11/...atershed-event-for-galvanizing-public-unrest/
    The US-funded CANVAS organization that trained Juan Guaido and his allies produced a 2010 memo on exploiting electricity outages and urged the opposition “to take advantage of the situation…towards their needs”
    By Max Blumenthal


     
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    CARACAS – Along with reports about the resumption of electricity supply “across the country” from Venezuela today, March 13, there are reports that the authorities of the Bolivarian Republic have plans to stop the potentially illegal and anti-state activities of the self-declared opposition leader, the U.S-proclaimed President Juan Guaido.

    Venezuelan Attorney General Tarek William Saab has revealed this morning that Guaido is under investigation on charges of sabotaging the national grid.

    READ MORE: MAJOR – Blackouts In Venezuela Are Now Repaired, But U.S “Energy War Continues”

    The statement of the head of the law enforcement agency aggravated the confrontation between the current government headed by President Nicolas Maduro and the U.S backed pretender “interim head of state” Juan Guaido, who was recognized as such by the United States and about 50 countries in Latin America and Europe. Meanwhile, according to the Associated Press, doubts remain as to how decisively the Venezuelan authorities will act against the “instigator” of electrical sabotage.

    Against the background of a most difficult situation in the South American country, the continuing opposition of the former National Assembly chair of Venezuela, headed by the so-called “interim president” Juan Guaido, previously announced, though without any standing or practical authority, that a state of emergency is being imposed on the night of March 12th for a period of 30 days (Estado de Alarma) .

    “Paralyzed hospitals and ambulance stations, lack of water and food, idle transport lead to death and misfortune,” said Guaido, adding that he calls on all Venezuelans to once again organize a mass protest throughout the country demanding early free elections and removal of Maduro from government. Prior to the media spectacle created by foreign powers surrounding Guaido’s failed attempt at usurpation, he was known by name by less than 5% of the Venezuelan population. Today, due to media coverage, is he is known by over a quarter of the population, though this doesn’t establish whether he is popular.


    Since March 7th, when a large-scale failure occurred at the Venezuelan hydropower plant “Guri”, more than 20 states, including the capital of the country, have been left without electricity. The Venezuelan government established that the cause of the incident was a terrorist attack by the United States.

    According to information obtained by FRN from experts following this story, it appears that a foreign agent working for or in concert with, the United States, got into the PLC controllers on the twelve gigawatt hydroelectric Guri dam. They attacked the systems that regulated water flow through the valves on the dam that send the water to the turbines. This is precisely the type of attack that the Stuxnet virus was supposed to be made for.

    They opened the vales all the way. The virus planted, then fed data to the engineers, via the readouts, that the water flows and turbine speeds were normal. With an enormous amount of pressure from the dam, the turbines managed to push ahead of phase on the rest of the Venezuelan grid, got into an enormous tug-of-war with power stations elsewhere (after viruses also turned the protection off) and blew the system up, tripping a nationwide blackout with long term severe damage. This damage has only now been mostly repaired, a week later.

    Several Venezuelans managed to tweet out that the turbines at Guri went over frequency, we are informed, but that those tweets have now been expunged.

    It is essentially assured that the US was involved in this, to the point where there is no plausible deniability, especially after Pompeo’s tweet immediately after, a victory gloat.

    The US has been promoting the falsity that Venezuela’s grid was in poor condition, which is misinformation. This has been looked at by experts, and rather, Venezuela’s system was among the most modern grids in the world. Venezuela began their own system of electricity in small regions, using their own experts, within a decade of the invention of direct current electrical lighting systems. The Guri dam facility, taking into account its upgrades, is essentially a 2010 system.

    It should not, hypothetically, be difficult for Venezuelan prosecutors to tie the Guri dam incident to Guaido and his circle of direct handlers who work from the US State Department, and are the ‘usual suspects’ when it comes to ‘regime change’ operations.

    https://www.fort-russ.com/2019/03/b...=wp&utm_campaign=push&utm_content=new-article
     
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    their views are not the minority but majority of people in Venezuela knew these facts
     
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    second attempt

    Caracas warns it'll use weapons if needed as crowds of coup supporters flock to presidential palace https://on.rt.com/9tcr
     
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    Maduro congratulates military on 'defeating' coup attempt as Guaido calls for more protests
    https://on.rt.com/9tej
     
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    They will ‘defeat’ and win each other until it is too dangerous to operate and no oil flows out of Venezuela. Maybe this is the goal?
     
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    I was watching video coverage of the "coup" today and noticed that the "resistance" weapons look kind of "rag tag", like they are very old and worn out, mix of different types, etc.

    If the US is supplying them they are not doing a very good job. The Maduro military guys looked much more "professional" with nice matching weapons and uniforms, etc.
     
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    It's all a media show. The longer this drags, the more Madura loses because patience is wearing thin. Even China will not continue backing him if he can't resolve the stalemate and oil can't flow.
     
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    It's sad to see this once wealthy country in total economic and social breakdown due to both the yoke of socialist policies and prior govt's mismanagement / lack of planning for the future.

    The below link is a good summary of their economic issues and graphical representations of Venezuela's position to that of their South American neighbors.

    http://money.visualcapitalist.com/richer-poorer-venezuela-economic-tragedy/

    As painful as it is to watch what is going on, all nation states need to keep out of this and let the Venezuelan people sought this out. At some stage the military will not come out of their barracks to support the Govt, the police won't be able to handle crowds and Maduro will either see the writing on the wall and flee to a safe country or be dragged from the presidential palace by the protestors. Whilst Venezuela's issues and protests have been going on for a few years now, Maduro should pay heed to recent history with specific reference to the Romania and Nicolae Ceaușescu...
     
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    Russia has sent a battalion of little green men to protect Madura so there's little chance of this happening in the short term. This is going to drag out for sometime.
     
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    warning video of protesters being run over with armored personnel carriers.

    As long as the defense force is paid well...
     
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    Maybe they are looking to see if Trump will have a 2nd term. The sanctions strategy is basically a slow bleed out, you can never win that in the long run. You can put out all sorts of video propaganda like RT and ZH but if the economy falters, it's still end game because once cash runs out, game over.
     
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    Cuba was smaller and in between of USSR broken, yet Cuba continue
    its too funny that we can believe otherwise with Venezuela with much stronger military

    with the backing of both Russia and China, two failed coups ... we can only believe this to continue longer than that of Cuba 60 years +++
    we can easily assess how the "0" Iranian oil export working out in the next few weeks

    the one being advised not to flee is Guaido not Maduro

     
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