TPP Dirty Deals - Selling out Australia

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  1. JulieW

    JulieW Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    It's called 'adding insult to injury'.

     
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    So our leader PM MT, declares that the TPP is good because it allows the USA to determine the business rules.. Well thats understandable seeing that he once worked for Goldman Sachs.

    There he was, advising US SENATORS why they should vote for the TPP. I hope he explained to them the ISDS legal clause.

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    Seems like Sanders, Clinton and Trump are all against the TPP BUT WILL IT BE ENOUGH? us SENATORS might try to push the bill through the congress around December when the US is too busy with the Christmas rush.

    Lets hope the TPP become an issue with the forthcoming election.. OH! I forgot both the red and the blue team are both in support of the TPP.

    Goldman Sachs and their old employee will be big winners. Meanwhile, the AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE will be distracted by issues that are discussed every election

    Remember make sure you vote for what is good for you and your hip pocket for today and tomorrow, Dont worry about what will happen in a few short years time.

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    I wonder if the TPP will be an election issue at the forhtcoming election..Millions of of people demonstrating in Europe against the TTIP..Obama selling his snake oil about the Great benefits of free trade agreements. Japan's PM to defer signing the Tpp until after elections in Japan. Why? Maybe because of the way Japan protects its beef industry.

    Meanwhile here in Australia both the red and blue teams will pull out smokescreen issues so that the Australian people will never know what the TPP really means for them...Just think of all the imports that will flow in, bananas, pineapples, all fruit from NZ, BEEF AND PORK FROM THE US...The US corporations will be able to do what they like.

    Keiser Report 905 will support what I written above.

    6000 pages in the Tpp and it seems that the least people that read it the better.

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    Doesn't matter what congress do, the one power (of very few) the US president has is to veto any bill.
    But of course, politicians will be politicians.
    If Trump does actually win though, he will be uncontrollable, so if he's against it, good luck changing his mind.
    Hillary will do whatever her owners tell her to do.
    Sanders is pretty safe here.

    Bring back the veto master Franklin Roosevelt:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes#Summary_of_vetoes
     
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    IF Obama and the Congress say yes then it could well pass before Christmas. Now lets hope we hear from Turnbull and Shorten about the TPP. Robb has done a runner.

    Corporations will rule states....Mark my words.

    Regards Errol 43

    EU anger about the TPPP is on the rise...People demonstrating in all cities...No demonstrations here...Why? The Australian people (except SS members) are asleep to the danger our own TPP involves. They will take your freedom and your $$$ if you are not informed and even then what can you do..FA? Now our election is coming what issues will be on the agenda, the same old subs, health, education, security, union corruption, banks, roads, sport and welfare. No mention of TPP or bail ins? Maybe they will mention free trade agreements and how they benefit the farmers. I hope they do have a RC on banks and then we may well discover where all the derivatives are held off balance sheet. ")
     
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    Referring to Keiser report 908,the UK government has been advised by its own advisers that the TPPP is a bad deal for the EU. The ISDS WILL PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF ALL CORPORATIONS. A secret trade agreement that will not benefit the large majority of UK Citizens.

    Yet here we are in Election mode in Australia, with the TPP being implemented secretly and we are forced to believe in this great free trade agreement and yet none of our MP's know what the TPP is all about..

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    Is it something to do with negative gearing?

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    Now the Europeans have got the drift! The people of Europe have now found what the TPP is all about..GM foods allowed into Europe where the people have said NO for years. US corporate laws overriding EU laws. ISDS court to rule over disputes including enviromental ones including fracking.

    Australians have been kept in the dark while Minister Robb has signed us up to something that the great majority of Australians don't know anything about.. Both the reds and blues have remained silent except for telling us how good it will be for Australian farmers who see the $$$$ signs flashing before their eyes..

    Wait until the pineapples, paw paws and bananas as well as pork from the other trade partners start pouring in.

    IMO It is not a good deal for Australia.

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    I try to avoid the belief that there is a globalist new world order conspiracy, and I think that's a healthy approach. Unfortunately this appears to be no longer a conspiracy, but fact, based in a corporate and government push to achieve exactly that: one world economic system, with 'elites' deciding the future and circumstance for the 99%.

    Some animals are more equal than others, after all.
     
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    Apologies for the ignorant question and for not doing my own research, but does anyone know the stated policy for the TPP for each of the Australian parties contesting the election?
     
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    USA citizens non too happy as well:

     
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    We had our first dose of this crap with NAFTA with good ole' uncle Bill Clinton. That really killed manufacturing (high paying for non college folks) jobs here. It seems like in the US free trade means the US gets f'd and 3rd world countries do well, so it really isn't free trade because there are always rules that apply to the US and not the other party we are doing business with.

    Just my opinion.

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    Governments interfering in market processes should be held accountable. The actions of policy makers already externalise much of the cost of regulation onto the general public, even with the consent of voters acting in their own self-interest who deem government action is needed. The ability to sue governments and the people who put them into power for political decisions that affect the livelihoods of individuals would make our legislators more accountable and their decision making processes more transparent. It may also help drive home to the electorate that even under our current system, when a piece of legislation is passed, someone down the track who doesn't benefit has to pay for it.
     
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    Put it to the vote, Should Governments or Overseas Corporations make the rules for our country?

    Regards Errol 43
     
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    Now there's a referendum question if ever there was one ;)
     
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    Election USA sees both Trump and Clinton oppose the TPP. Corporations won't like that! Their Lawyers won't like that..The ISDS has never ruled against Corporation in the NAFTA, so why would it be any different with TPP.

    Obama will probably do a dirty back door senate deal just after the election!

    Rip it up Trump! Tear it up Clinton!

    Let us do out free trade deals one on one just like we have with Japan, South Korea and Singapore.

    Regards Errol 43
     
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    The first part of the Keiser Report 944, gives insight IMO of the dangers of Corporations in free trade deals. Do Corporations pay tax? Not if they have good lawyers!

    Worth a view!

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