This is called government these days

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  1. SpacePete

    SpacePete Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    From the article:
    They key difference between them and political parties, of course, is that the Yakuza have a particular moral code with consequences for those who disobey it. Politicians, on the other hand, may be members of a party with a token political ideology, but generally have no moral code to constrain their actions, so they can f*ck you up and can f*ck up the community with impunity, and often do with a smug sense of self-righteousness.

    Very broadly, the difference is:

    Moral Code

    protection from harm altruism
    fairness rights, reciprocity, and justice
    loyalty ingroup and outgroup relationships
    authority respect and obedience
    purity of body and spirit sanctified, not carnal

    Political Ideology

    * Largely concerns itself with how to allocate power and to what ends power should be used
    * Is generally a loose set of ideals, principles, doctrines, myths, or symbols of a social movement, institution, or class of people that explains how society should work.
     
  2. Shaddam IV

    Shaddam IV Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Jeez Reno, do I have to put a sarcasm warning on my posts?
     
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    We really do need a sarc icon on the site i thought you were serious :(
     
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    Shaddam IV Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Sorry for giving you a turn, have a scotch and kick back and count some of those stacks of green beauties. ;)
     
  5. Roswell Crash Survivor

    Roswell Crash Survivor Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    The facts and numbers don't support your assertions.

    First, government expenditures attributable to the elderly.

    Data Source - Treasury: http://budget.gov.au/2015-16/content/fbo/download/06_Appendix_A.pdf

    ABC: Budget 2015/16 Breakdown
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-...ng/breakdown/2017/social-security-and-welfare

    Assistance to the Elderly (mainly Age Pension)
    AU$60.0 billion

    The elderly are also more likely to call upon Medicare for:
    - subsidized visits to Primary Care providers (AU$27.8 billion)
    - Public Hospitals (AU$15.5 billion)
    - the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (AU$10.3 billion)
    Despite being only ~15% of the population, those 'Over 65' group are responsible for >40% of those expenses.
    40% of the above: At least AU$21.4 billion

    Assistance to people with Disabilities
    AU$27.5 billion
    The elderly are also more likely to be physically and/or mentally disabled, requiring yet more expensive care.

    Now, for comparison:

    Education - Public Schools, Private Schools, Higher Education Combined
    AU$31.1 billion

    Assistance to Families with children (mainly Family Tax Benefit)
    AU$38.08 billion

    Defence
    AU$27.2 billion

    Assistance to the unemployed and the sick
    AU$10.7 billion

    Communication
    AU$0.6 billion

    The NBN is a capital expenditure item spread out over a number of years.
    It's already generating a direct income stream for the services provided (User fees>Telcos>NBN Co>Gov).
    Not to mention the commercial opportunities that NBN (as infrastructure) will enable; 21st Century jobs, more income and spending. Increase in income tax and GST revenue.

    It'd be more accurate to 'spending' on the NBN as a loan being repaid with interest over the next two decades.
     
  6. Court Jester

    Court Jester Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    if it was me i would withdraw all my super / sell assets to get under the threshold where I would still receive teh pension and store the cash or buy gold, and if the government asked me about the cash at any time -- long gone on hookers and cocaine.
     
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    l***g Active Member Silver Stacker

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    Or donated to my local church/spent on the pokies
     
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    radiobirdman Active Member Silver Stacker

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    What about the hundreds of Billions of dollars stolen by all level of governments to fund their pensions, at the expense of ours why is there no whinging about this

    much easier to have a go at some old fart who has worked all his life and paid a shit load of taxes( at a much higher rate) and never got the handouts you young flogs get.

    Some of you people are a bit of a disgrace to humanity
     
  9. fishtaco

    fishtaco Active Member Silver Stacker

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    So what is the asset test threshold going to be now? does it include the pensioners main residence ownership in that asset test?
     
  10. Big A.D.

    Big A.D. Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    The main residence won't be included in the assets test until all the Baby Boomers have died off. Nobody's going to get re-elected by annoying the biggest voting demographic.

    Basic table of changes is here: http://www.catholicsuper.com.au/assets-test/
     
  11. Silverthorn

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    I have it on good authority, quite a long while ago, that some people actually make themselves worse off trying to get some government money. Seems strange but true apparently.
     
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    100% agree.
    As a taxpayer, I'm sick of funding the living standards of realestate millionaires.
     
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    https://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/enablers/changes-pension-assets-test

    Current pension rates, taken from here: https://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/services/centrelink/age-pension

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    Someone with more time than me can work it out :)
     

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