The myth of the gender pay gap

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  1. Shaddam IV

    Shaddam IV Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Virtue signalling much?

    Sounds like something a “gender studies” lecturer would tell their “students” to spread on the internet.
     
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    Awards are just some random number plucked out of the air that have no connection at all to how much value an employee adds. Employers have to fit their worker numbers around an inflexible wage structure rather than their true labour needs.

    I always knew I had half a brain. o_O :p

    I’ll be fkt if I’m going to pay a 19 yo above award rates when they already earn more than me/hour worked, especially once penalty rates are imposed. Fk em, they already get paid too much.

    $40/hour to pick up dishes and wipe tables on a public holiday!! FFS. That’s one reason we don’t make stuff in Australia. And the Unions wonder why employees are reluctant to hire or offer more hours to workers. It’s coz the Unions can’t do math.
     
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    On the subject of professor Jordan Peterson, here is his Google scholar ranking page. As of today he has 9,766 academic citations. That is a huge number of citations in other scholars publications by any standard. He is clearly very highly regarded by his peers. Not surprising that Cathy Newman was so comprehensively defeated in her attempts to misrepresent him.

    https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=wL1F22UAAAAJ&hl=en
     
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    After reserching the webz for a while this is the closest i could find, a quote from a hatchet piece by left wing writer Nellie Bowles
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/style/jordan-peterson-12-rules-for-life.html
    She says
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    Recently, a young man named Alek Minassian drove through Toronto trying to kill people with his van. Ten were killed, and he has been charged with first-degree murder for their deaths, and with attempted murder for 16 people who were injured. Mr. Minassian declared himself to be part of a misogynist group whose members call themselves incels. The term is short for “involuntary celibates,” though the group has evolved into a male supremacist movement made up of people — some celibate, some not — who believe that women should be treated as sexual objects with few rights. Some believe in forced “sexual redistribution,” in which a governing body would intervene in women’s lives to force them into sexual relationships.

    Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners, Mr. Peterson says, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married.

    “He was angry at God because women were rejecting him,” Mr. Peterson says of the Toronto killer. “The cure for that is enforced monogamy. That’s actually why monogamy emerges.”

    Mr. Peterson does not pause when he says this. Enforced monogamy is, to him, simply a rational solution. Otherwise women will all only go for the most high-status men, he explains, and that couldn’t make either gender happy in the end.
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    at no point does he say that
    "men wouldn't go on so many murder sprees if women f**ked them more often"
    i would like to add my voice to the request for you to substantiate that one BigAd as i think you are quoting a 3rd party twisting of the above interview
     
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    Indeed Serial. Big AD’s post is straight out of the Post Modernist / Marxist Critical Theory handbook - If you cannot compete with your ideological opponent on an intellectual level then fabricate a lie, attribute it to your opponent and spread it publically. It’s just the kind of behaviour that professor Peterson is trying to warn people about.
     
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    I quite like Jordan Peterson's take on issues and I was dismayed when this was reported. My searching also found him misquoted and his meaning extrapolated well beyond his intention. It seems to happen constantly, however he is indeed fallible and as I posted on another thread, a former colleague's disquiet at Peterson's "delivered truths" is good to bear in mind.

    As non-hero Bob Dylan says: "don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters"
     
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    Everyone is fallible.

    Including the non-hero.
     
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    As FALLIBLE non-hero Bob Dylan says: "don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters"

     
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    i agree but i read that piece that you linked to and found it to be a milder attempt at muddling the overall message he is delivering regarding the dangers if identity politics, socialism and outcome equality.
    No one is perfect and Jordon Peterson is clearly open to self improvement when he is wrong or misinformed and he outlines this as one of his point
    9.Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don't

    To do this is to acknowledge that you are not perfect and ergo not infallible, i also agree that he is often misquoted and taken out of context in a way that is either purposefully twisting the truth or is just plain incapable of grasping the message he is delivering due to intellectual deficiencies eg saying that he thinks we should all be like lobsters because he points out the similarities between chemical balances in the brain due to social interactions and the affect they have on the individual.
    i have only recently become aware of him but i must say i am quite impressed with the man
    i also hadn't heard that bob Dylan expression before but i do like it
     
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    Never missing an opportunity to promote Bob Dylan here is the song in it's entirety including the line "you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"

     
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    Yes Peterson is mortal, thanks for pointing that out. Someone might have thought he was a super hero or god. :p
    I don't understand how people reference someone being human as a negative point, as implied in that article/rant.
     
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    I think the extra cost to see a female is valid for the reason mentioned, a female consult normally takes longer. The market can then determine if the extra cost is worth paying. Though if a person goes longer then the standard consult why doesn't the GP just charge them for an extended consult? The price gap to the patient is less then $1.

    Now that women are making a lot of traction in the work place, their biggest head winds are the angry feminist and far left. The school of schadenfreude have taught them well. :D
     
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    I feel sorry for Grid Girls - young women use these jobs as a way of getting a profile to move into modelling and PR jobs. Apart from losing their income they also lost a useful career path just because brittle, angry and envious activists go after them because of their beauty. It was interesting to see the Miss America Pageant commit suicide last week too. It seems that fat shaming is evil but beauty shaming is virtuous. But then "feminism" now is not about looking after the interests of women, it's just a vicious political movement looking for power and revenge and they couldn’t care less how many women they harm as they do it.
     
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    Here’s another pay gap nugget with Mr Pie

     
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    I’ve heard a lot of tripe from Big A.D Over the years but his comments on this thread had me thinking. Is this just another case of virtue signaling? Surely he’s not that dumb? Then it struck me. His feminist wife is looking over his shoulder reading his comments and he’s saying to himself, what response is most likely to get me laid tonight? There can be no other explanation for someone with an IQ capable of using the internet and typing in English.
     
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    I missed that yesterday was Equal Pay Day.

    Damn!

    Not.

    https://www.equalpayday.com.au/about

    No mention about preference or personal choice of course.
     
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    Probably got drowned out by wear purple to support diversity day. Even the cops were in on the action. As were all Woolworths and WOW owned establishments across the country.

    I guess they need to start evenly spacing out their "days" on a calendar so there are no clashes and everyone has enough notice so they can participate accordingly.
     
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    I didn’t even know about that one.

    Poor coppers having to be the front line for whatever bleeding heart promo comes along. Like our defence forces having one fingernail painted to support whatever shitbrained campaign was dreamt up by a mob of public servants in an office thousands of km away from what our defence forces are actually employed to do.

    Fair enough the guy does look a bit camp, but it’s not the function of our military and emergency services personnel to celebrate nor promote diversity.

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    David Leyonhjelm famously schooled the women Workplace Gender Equality Agency on it:



    Jordan Petersen virally rekt Channel 4's Cathy Newman on it:



    Last year, the National Bureau of Economic Research published a study that showed the gender gap "can be attributed to the dynamic effects of children." - that the pay gap is between mothers and fathers rather than between women and men, and that the reason it exists is due to the different choices men and women make regarding work and family.

    But Pilbersek and the lefties wouldn't have it - "The gender pay gap is one of the most persistent forms of inequality in the Australian economy. When you consider total remuneration, women still get paid about 23 per cent less than men." Tanya Plibersek- https://www.sbs.com.au/news/labor-promises-gender-pay-gap-changes

    And then today, this....

    Tanya Plibersek has announced she will not run to be the leader of the Labor Party.

    After much speculation following Bill Shorten’s defeat at the Saturday election, the Deputy Leader has announced she will not be vying for the party’s top job, saying she has to put her family first.

    I am very grateful for the support I have received from my colleagues, from party members and others, urging me to run for the Labor leadership,” Ms Plibersek said in a statement.

    “But now is not my time. At this point, I cannot reconcile the important responsibilities I have to my family with the additional responsibilities of the Labor leadership."

    Mr Shorten was reportedly backing Ms Plibersek for the leadership, The Australian reported on Sunday night, citing senior Labor sources.

    - https://www.news.com.au/national/sh...r/news-story/ff6f227e520f9a6038c255092bf04570
     
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