The myth of the gender pay gap

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  1. mmm....shiney!

    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Tough marker lol. 7/10 then?

    X axis is number of individuals, Y axis I thought was self-explanatory. :)
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    I think there is a common misconception around employment that has led to the rise of a workplace welfare mentality.

    Sound economic theory argues convincingly that employers offer jobs to workers so that they can meet consumer needs. This idea has been lost by policy makers and the population in the main and has been replaced with the notion that employers offer a lifestyle for workers, employer's needs are therefore compromised and consumer satisfaction, rather than being the focus of why we employ people in the first place is relegated to being a by-product of this workplace welfare program.

    This is not a good direction to take as the end goal of all production is consumption, not employment. It means our efforts to employ people and the burdens placed upon employers and the consumers who provide the profits is not not sustainable.
     
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    I have worked for different companies across 4 industries in my working life, and not once has it been the case where males earned more than females for the same job.

    I suspect that statistics, like average taxable incomes dont take into account the higher % of women who take time off for kids.
     
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    If you haven't followed any of Dr Jordan Peterson's work regarding this it is well worth watching some of his videos and reading his book.
    Loosely he describes there being 18 traits that lead to success and earning potential.
    This may not be the best clip but its a start.
     
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    Amusing comments on the YT video too. Making a mental note of his calm and collected responses for future use :)
     
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    here is the full video. Dr Jordan Peterson did an amazing job to put up with that feminist. The stupidity coming out of cathy newman's mouth was shocking and cringe worthy.

     
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    Showbiz!

    Actually Jordan Peterson's evaluation of the interview with Seth Rogen is an interesting listen, and a good guide to deal in with the media if such an unfortunate experience should befall you.

     
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    Jordan "men wouldn't go on so many murder sprees if women f**ked them more often" Peterson?

    Have a nice thread.
     
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    where are you quoting from?
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Probably something he read from someone who read something they read from someone who read something they once read about what someone wrote about Jordan Peterson who’d never actually read or listened to him in the first place.

    Big A.D’s rejection bias has triggered automatically.
     
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    Just googled that quote and nothing came up.

    Pretty sure if it he had said that it would be all over the place.

    There is a definitely a move to discredit him. On the perceived right wing political forums I visit he is being accused of being a Jewish shill. In the more mainstream forums I have heard him decried as a nazi alt-right sympathizer.

    I have watched many of his videos and until I hear him say "men wouldn't go on so many murder sprees if women f**ked them more often" then I am just going to go with the evidence of my own eyes and ears.
     
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    Maybe it's one of those Cathy Newmanesque "...so you're saying..." interpretations... ;) DUZdOlQW0AEVvZM.jpg

    I went to see him give a talk in Brissy a while back, just to show support to the cause of free speech. Well worth it and sold out event (same as in Sydney & Melbs).
     
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    Thanks for the videos guys. I hadn't seen him before. He is very articulate in describing what i to have observed in my life, i am amazed that he was so capable in that conversation to maintain his position without aggression against a person intent on either provoking him or cornering him into a needless apology. I especially liked it when he got her on the free speech argument and it took her a minute to perform the mental gymnastics to try to respond, it really demonstrated her bias and intent
     
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    Lmao now, i liked this one
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    A 2 for 1
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    Women are smart enough not to take on CEO roles choosing family as the priority.
    Women choose to work less hours, and a lot of the time women choose more nurturing Careers/Jobs such as Nursing & Child Care, while men are gravitate towards Engineering, Science & Trades which are all well paid right now.

    Yes women do earn less, but it is not due to discrimination nor is it due to any disadvantage from the system, they simply choose too.
     
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    True, but nursing, child care and teaching should be paid better.
     
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    mmm....shiney! Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    The better solution is to remove awards and reward teachers, nurses and childcare workers according to the value they bring to the market.

    Currently, teachers on the whole bring very little value when compared to their pay scales. Childcare workers pay is probably commensurate with the value they provide, but the barriers to entry for both workers and consumers of child care services are possibly set to increase with more regulations and requirements.
     
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    Awards are a minimum payment, not a maximum.

    Any employer with a brain knows you reward workers beyond the Award if you want them to stay.
     

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