Tesla: Wall Street scam in plain sight

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  1. Miksture

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    Links or it doesn't exist :)

    Seriously, this sounds interesting, do you have any links?
     
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    Massive banks of batteries that store huge amounts of energy are what make electric cars possible. Airlines won’t allow those types of batteries on board and they are illegal to send through the post as they will catch fire aggressively and are very difficult to extinguish if they are buckled or punctured (or in the case of Samsung phone batteries were assembled poorly). Perfectly safe to have a car full of trays full of them of course, what could possibly happen in a shiny new car that would buckle a battery bank?
     
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    Petrol is an actual explosive so while there is a risk of damaged batteries burning it remains sourced on the battery where the petrol tends to spread and burn everything. Both are a fire danger, sure.
     
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    Not at the moment I don't
    Flow battery tech
    The company is called ESS ,sorry haven't got links at
     
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    Cool. It's been reported lately that Musk has said when they get to 5,000 a week they will release more versions.
     
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    https://www.nfpa.org/News-and-Resea...tatistics/Vehicle-fires/Highway-vehicle-fires - last available stats for the US alone are 174,000 vehicle fires in 2015 - that's 476 a day.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicle_fire_incidents#Tesla_Model_S reports only 8 Tesla fires - it's not a comprehensive list, as there's been a couple in 2018.

    There's an estimated 170,000 Teslas on the road in the US, out of a national passenger fleet of 263 million. So Teslas only comprise about 0.065% (that's a fraction of a percent) of the national fleet. Based on 174,000 fire per annum, we should be seeing about 112 Tesla fires per annum if they caught fire at the same rate as ICE vehicles. It's probably closer to less than 10 per annum seeing as every one of them anywhere in the world seems to make the news, which is only every couple of months.

    I'd rather be sitting on a bunch of batteries than a tank full of hydrocarbons in a collision.
     
  8. aleks

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    I wouldn't be so sure about that. The footprint of a battery in an electric car is much bigger than a fuel tank. It's also hard to do a like for like comparison to account for older and modified cars.
     
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    The question is the price (now at purchase) and the cost (on the term).
    Power companies aren't really a reference on that, usually they are a govt sponsored bunch, not exactly the mass people that benefit, rather the opposite - they end up paying it, whether they like it or not.
    So it'll require more info to judge that newer tech.
     
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    Yeah, Tesla appears thousand times more on forums and media than on the streets haha.
     
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  11. aleks

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    This guys twitter is a riot, too much interesting stuff to keep track of and post here. The biggest Telsa bear, he's short and every other bear are licking the chops right now.

    https://twitter.com/markbspiegel
     
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    lock him up for market manipulation. There is no deal, he is just trying to scare the shorts. Why would anyone pay 20% over market value for a company going down the toilet. Tesla can't make a profit when there is zero competition, how are they going to do when all the big car companies start roiling out electric cars.
     
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    420 a share....i think he has taken up smoking weed!
     
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    My guess is Tesla was about to get destroyed by the shorts and as a last attempt to keep his scam together he made the $420 tweet.
    In time people will replace Charles Ponzi (Ponzi scheme) with Elon Musk. (Musk scheme)

    musk.jpg

     
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    I wouldn't expect that latter too easily, in the end, there have to be customers willing to buy an electrical car, and apparently, despite all government attempts, so far few are willing, mostly due to batteries not providing the storage flexibility / ability of hoarding, of fuels.
    One can put a dozen cheap jerrycans in his garage and in his car, and multiply his range with it. Batteries are entirely different. You become dependent on electricity and on a price of the day.
    So those car producers can announce all they want, it's just gonna fill up their car ports if governments fail to push/force people towards electrical mobility.
    Couple days ago in a regional newspaper: some thieves stole at night a Tesla out of a house garage, and they found the Tesla 50 km further abandoned along the road with an empty battery.
    It's just so lol.
    Just like all that Tesla advertisement on a million forums / in media.
    It is said that Tesla doesn't advertise and so doesn't pay advertisement costs, but most if not all those forum Tesla subjects origin just from a few forum users, and you see how they prefer to create new Tesla / electrical cars topics all the time, as to fill and keep as such the entire forum section full "enough" with. In short: just a bunch spammers, and spammers only spam because it fills their pockets in one way or another.
     
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    Problem is they can't make em. Design em sure. Hyundai are actually petty good at it but they can't deliver the volume the market wants. Tesla has built up dominance now in the key areas needed. The big auto companies have only just twigged to what's needed to catch Tesla. Tesla is sprinting for the finish line after a marathon. The big auto companies have just got off the couch.

    The shorts are totally turtled at this point regardless of whether Tesla goes private or not.
     
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    Yes Tesla is way ahead atm, but companies like Kia/Hyundai can scale at rates Tesla can only dream about. So if/when they want to move they can move fast, as they can do in 1 year what Tesla took 10 to do.

    As for the shorts, i guess we will find out in the not to distance future.
     
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    :D

    Now this is what I call entertainment!

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